Actual date of Candlemas (Imbolc)?

firecatpickles

I usually use this site to put the dates in my calendar each year:

http://www.archaeoastronomy.com/2014.html

I believe they get it as the midway point between the summer solstice and autumn equinox.
Often it is taken as the nearest Sunday, which in the Southern Hemisphere would be today, but the exact times are observed by some. I think if the intention is there then the actual exact timing matters not.

winterchild

If you use astrology, one could say when the sun is 15 degrees in that season's sign it's time to party. Sun is 15 Aquarius on Feb. 3...

If it's a festival, as it should be celebrated, the dates should really matter. Let's have the festival for a few days then !

What about this lunar days count? Any more information on that?

The map on archeoastronomy is very close the the 15-degree thing, thank you for sharing it. I ran across it after crunching the numbers :\

ETA:
Here are some crunched numbers (IN CAPS), when the Sun enters 15-degrees in each sign (not included are the equinoxes and solstices). Matched with the arceho time to the right, it's pretty close... except for Samhain and Lughnasadh (?!)... why isn't their data following a pattern? Makes me sorta question it

Imbolc........ 3 FEB 2014 at 1704 (archeo, 16:55)
Beltane...... 5 MAY 2014 at 1000 (archeo, 09:56)
Samhain..... 7 NOV 2014 at 0707 (archeo, 07:56)
Lughnasadh 7 AUG 2014 at 1030 (archeo, 10:07)
 

BodhiSeed

According to the Carmina Gadelica, the Feast of Bride/Bridget (celebrated on Imbolc) was on Feb. 1, though some in the highlands celebrated it on Feb. 13.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/cg1/cg1074.htm

On a personal note, I have also celebrated it from sundown to sundown (Feb. 1-2).
 

zhan.thay

If you use astrology, one could say when the sun is 15 degrees in that season's sign it's time to party. Sun is 15 Aquarius on Feb. 3...

If it's a festival, as it should be celebrated, the dates should really matter. Let's have the festival for a few days then !

What about this lunar days count? Any more information on that?

The map on archeoastronomy is very close the the 15-degree thing, thank you for sharing it. I ran across it after crunching the numbers :\

ETA:
Here are some crunched numbers (IN CAPS), when the Sun enters 15-degrees in each sign (not included are the equinoxes and solstices). Matched with the arceho time to the right, it's pretty close... except for Samhain and Lughnasadh (?!)... why isn't their data following a pattern? Makes me sorta question it

Imbolc........ 3 FEB 2014 at 1704 (archeo, 16:55)
Beltane...... 5 MAY 2014 at 1000 (archeo, 09:56)
Samhain..... 7 NOV 2014 at 0707 (archeo, 07:56)
Lughnasadh 7 AUG 2014 at 1030 (archeo, 10:07)

I get 4 Feb 2014 at 0904 AEDT (3 Feb 2014 at 2204 UT) for 15 Aquarius in SolarFire
6 May 2014 0000 AEST
8 Aug 2014 0003 AEST
7 Nov 2014 2307 AEDT

I'll check with the USNO MICA
 

firecatpickles

It would be interesting to cross-check more. I know astrodienst has been know to be off a bit in their numbers... (my times are EST, btw)
 

zhan.thay

From US Naval Observatory MICA program:

UT1
2014 Feb 03 22:03:00.0 314.99984 + 0.00007 0.985763864
2014 Feb 03 22:04:00.0 315.00054 + 0.00007 0.985763966

2014 May 05 13:59:00.0 44.99974 - 0.00015 1.008600106
2014 May 05 14:00:00.0 45.00041 - 0.00015 1.008600272

2014 Aug 07 14:02:00.0 134.99971 + 0.00015 1.014075982
2014 Aug 07 14:03:00.0 135.00038 + 0.00015 1.014075874

2014 Nov 07 12:06:00.0 224.99956 - 0.00015 0.990990771
2014 Nov 07 12:07:00.0 225.00026 - 0.00015 0.990990602
 

gregory

Well that's great for imbolc, but CANDLEMAS is something else again:

Candlemas is a Christian holiday celebrated annually on February 2. It celebrates three occasions according to Christian belief: the presentation of the child Jesus; Jesus’ first entry into the temple; and it celebrates the Virgin Mary’s purification (mainly in Catholic churches).
The feast celebrates the presentation of Christ in the temple at Jerusalem on the 40th day after His birth.
- which gives a fixed date, of course. Though I make it Feb 3rd :confused:

And let us not also forget Groundhog day - also today - Feb 2. And Yemanja. And Crêpe day (in France - YES ! - but interestingly also known as La Chandeleur.) And Bun Day (Iceland.) And World Wetlands Day....

I'm not helping, am I !
 

firecatpickles

Bun Day sounds fun!

BTW the times above are not only for EST but specific to my geographical location, not sure if this could be a factor in the difference in times...
 

ravenest

The 4th of February is exactly between December solstice 2013 and March equinox 2014.

So it seems a solar calculation and not a lunar one ?

Hmmmmm ...
 

ravenest

Well that's great for imbolc, but CANDLEMAS is something else again:



- which gives a fixed date, of course. Though I make it Feb 3rd :confused:

And let us not also forget Groundhog day - also today - Feb 2. And Yemanja. And Crêpe day (in France - YES ! - but interestingly also known as La Chandeleur.) And Bun Day (Iceland.) And World Wetlands Day....

I'm not helping, am I !

Especially with the mixup of Christ's birthday ... I mean Mithra's birthday ... I mean ... you know ... presents day