Astral travelling and possession

[mza]

Hi all!
Over the weekend I watched a very scary movie, it almost scared the life out of me as it dawned on me that most of it could be true, hence my post on here. Of course I don't want to spoil the film for those that haven't watched it but it's led me to asked what some of you here think about astral projection and possession. Do you think it is possible that while astral traveling you could be led far off into the unknown and lose control of the link. Apparently this link is likened to something like an umbilical cord connection between the physical body and the astral body when the latter rises out of the bed. While out of your body then some other sinister spirit takes over your body?
I have often that heard this is how people who do black magic travel 'in the night' and some African folktales go so far as to say that black magic users can use the spirit of any person for their own purposes such as making them carry out their practices. Now that I've gained more knowledge about spirituality form people of different backgrounds I presume it is usually the astral bodies (or spirits?) of those who are more able to astral travel that are often used.

I know you'll probably say yes the film freaked me out but its just that I've had certain experiences that lead me to believe this work of fiction is somehow based a lot on facts. What do you think?

 

[214red]

with astral travel you are using your astral subtle body thats both part physical and part spiritual, so your still tethered to your body, your still travelling in a partially physical body (hard to explain).I dont beleive you can have your body possessed whilst your travelling, if you use another body thats purely spiritual i could see that happening as your less linked into the physical.
i would look up subtle bodies that might help you alliviate the fear, also you really shouldnt astral travel without understanding what your doing, and feeling protected by your guides/god/angels/source/universe.

 

[Milfoil]

From a shamanic world viewpoint, yes, you can loose soul parts if not careful and I have first hand experience of the astral body can be manipulated by others with more experience/power/training etc.

Most of the time it's fine but the problem comes when someone WANTS to interfere or has an agenda. Otherwise every time we fell asleep we would be at risk. When you consciously travel elsewhere you can effectively put yourself in someone elses 'back yard'. Most people are unaware but there are some well trained practitioners out there who do use soul parts to undertake black magic on their behalf, it makes undoing the curse difficult since you can't easily trace the maker.

 

[TractJM]

From a shamanic world viewpoint, yes, you can loose soul parts if not careful and I have first hand experience of the astral body can be manipulated by others with more experience/power/training etc.

Most of the time it's fine but the problem comes when someone WANTS to interfere or has an agenda. Otherwise every time we fell asleep we would be at risk. When you consciously travel elsewhere you can effectively put yourself in someone elses 'back yard'. Most people are unaware but there are some well trained practitioners out there who do use soul parts to undertake black magic on their behalf, it makes undoing the curse difficult since you can't easily trace the maker.

Out of curiosity, would you say that doing an active soul retrieval would be able to return and heal those parts? I've heard of shamanic tales such as this in my travels but I haven't done anything outside of personal retrievals and energy work with others so I haven't crossed into that conceptual realm that much.

I had always believed that with the active engagement and intent to have your Angels/guides/etc surround and protect you during both daily life and astral sessions, that such things may not actually be possible (unless you yourself trust nad open up to the person or thing which is responsible for the work) - is this still applicable?

 

[Milfoil]

I don't see why not. It is the Spirits who work with us who would do this and they are pretty amazing so yes, the soul parts could be brought back.

I had always believed that with the active engagement and intent to have your Angels/guides/etc surround and protect you during both daily life and astral sessions, that such things may not actually be possible (unless you yourself trust nad open up to the person or thing which is responsible for the work) - is this still applicable?

Not quite sure what you mean?

 

[Briar Rose]

My suggestion to you would be to look up past life regression, and see what is written about case studies. I am certain you will find some hypnotist that will cover astral travel with their case studies.

When under hypnosis or astral travel, the books read that a part of the soul essence is still with the human body.

 

[TractJM]

I don't see why not. It is the Spirits who work with us who would do this and they are pretty amazing so yes, the soul parts could be brought back.



Not quite sure what you mean?

Thanks I'm a proponent of soul retrieval and I have worked with others on my soul parts; and theirs.

For the second bit, I have always wondered when we actively ask for guidance, protection and light; if it is possible still to steal a soul part or affect the energy of another person through any kind of experience short of we ourselves triggering the part to leave us. I.E., a person actively working to steal or hold a soul part versus say, a hard trauma or emotional breaking point.

 

[Milfoil]

Not fully sure TractJM. Could be that when we have strong protection (with intention) we are secure but the myths are full of stories about beguiling spirits who attempt to lure the hero away from their cause and the same tactics can be used by anyone. What you feel to be safe may not always be so.

This is such a rare occurrance however, as to not be a major concern.

 

[214red]

From a shamanic world viewpoint, yes, you can loose soul parts if not careful and I have first hand experience of the astral body can be manipulated by others with more experience/power/training etc.

Most of the time it's fine but the problem comes when someone WANTS to interfere or has an agenda. Otherwise every time we fell asleep we would be at risk. When you consciously travel elsewhere you can effectively put yourself in someone elses 'back yard'. Most people are unaware but there are some well trained practitioners out there who do use soul parts to undertake black magic on their behalf, it makes undoing the curse difficult since you can't easily trace the maker.

saying this you can lose fragments of your soul just by living, maybe you lose more by astral projecting because your leaving, but remember you dont need to leave your body to have fragments lost.

 

[214red]

I think people are foolish to attempt this stuff without building a relationship with the spirits/energies that they have been assigned to work with, that is very important. Soul retrieval and soul rescue are specialist areas of work, you don’t just wake up and do it, you have to learn (you can learn in groups or be taught by spirit), and have experience, it takes time.

People seem to want things now, ignoring the foundations, the cornerstones of what they wish to do, they just want to dive in, without experiencing things with an experienced tutor (physical or spirit), and hopefully if you can a supportive group.

Why not ask for your soul fragments back, see how you feel when you do that, and then move on to bigger things.
I leave my body to do trance and physical mediumship, it takes time, practice, direction, support, and most important trust....i had to learn the foundations before i could be this properly, it took time, people should think long and hard before they start wanting to leave your body. it feels fantastic and some people like the feeling of euphoria so much they get addicted to it, dont want to come back, if your not grounded this is a big worry