Before you can invent playing cards you need medium

Umbrae

I cannot find where this has been discussed before.

All definitions of Tarot begin with the words “a pack of cards…” and then the writer wanders off to be lost in imagery.

However you need a medium to print upon before you can have a pack of cards.

You need paper.

Paper does not transport easily. Under Dark Ages conditions, shipping may have been difficult. Dampness destroys the paper, reverting it to pulp.

However most certainly some import/export of paper goods existed.

Papermaking was a closely guarded ‘secret’ art.

A good papermaker would produce paper for the local bureaucracy, the local clergy…sure the pays good…but what do you do with paper that comes out a bit poor? What if you need to raise some quick cash for new wire molds?

You print a game. You cannot make playing cards without paper.

NOTE ON TIMELINES ILLUSTRATED BELOW: Some dates of papermaking vary depending upon sources.

So I took Huck’s timelines and overlaid it to other timelines. Below is the result:

China – Papermaking origin

751 Papermaking begins in Samarkand

990 replaced parchment and papyrus in Arab worlds (having moved west to Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, etc.

1056 possible in Moorish Iberian Peninsula

1119 Knights Templars established

1151 confirmed papermaking in Moorish Iberian Peninsula

1187 Jerusalem falls to Saladin

1209 – 1229 Albigensian Crusade

1255± Papermaking in Genoa

1269 Marco Polo Returns to Venice

1276 (1268)± papermaking moves from Iberian Peninsula to Fabriano in the marquisate of Ancona) Italy (dates vary per source)

1271 9th Crusade does little in Syria

1288 Perhaps some German references to cards

1291 Acre falls

1307 Templars Disbanded (forcefully)

1320± papermaking in Germany (Nuremberg )

1337 Marseille "Quod nulla persona audeat nec presumat ludere et taxillos, nec ad paginas ad eyssuchum". - This passage in the statutes of the abbey St. Victor in Marseille is debated in its value.

1337 Hundred years war begins.

1338 French monastery Papermaking begins.

1340 Papermaking in Florence, Bologna, Parma, Milan, Venice.

1348 Papermaking in Troyes, France.

1348 – 1370 black Plague reduces population by 1/3rd, resulting in fear-based isolationism.

1367 German prohibition against card playing – Prohibitions continue onwards suggesting an outbreak (plague) of card playing.

1369 Paris Ordinance forbade various games, but did not mention cards. A similar ordinance in 1377 included cards.

1375 Specific references to Playing Cards (“Newly arrived from the Islamic world” where apparently they were common.)

1375 – 1500 Cards Spread – becoming familiar objects

1377 Playing Cards – no doubt about it. Florence Italy

1377 Paris Ordinance forbade card games on workdays." Michael Hurst's entry to 1377 Paris (from Parlett and Dummett) is also given as:
"En tout cas, on trouve mention expresse des cartes en 1377, quand le Prévôt de Paris défend de jouer les jours ouvrables. « Paumes, boules, cartes, dés, quilles »"
Translation: - "In any case, explicit mention of cards is found in 1377, when the Provost of Paris forbade playing on working days 'Palms, balls, cards, dice, bowling'" (as source is given Gerard van Rijnberk, _Le Tarot, histoire, iconographie, ésotérisme_, (rpt. Trédaniel, 1981)).
Note Ross Caldwell: I still don't know the original source. D'Allemagne (1906) apparently doesn't know it.

1381 Marseille "On the 30th of August 1381, Jacques Jean, son of a Marseille merchant, about to embark for Alexandria, promises to abstain from games of chance (3) among which are cited cards: nahipi." ("La carte à jouer en languedoc des origines à 1800" (Toulouse, 1974) p. 7)."

1382 Lille An ordinance of the city of Lille, dated 1382, when Lille
belonged to France, forbade various games including dice and "quartes" (an early word for cards). (Simon Wintle) "Que nuls se ne soit si hardis, uns ne aultres quelz que il soit, qui depuis maintenant en avant en ceste ville jueche (joue) de jour ne de nuit as "dez, as taiules, as quartes ne a nul autre geu quelconques (S p. 63, refering to R. d'Allemagne II, p. 158).
1392 Paris Account book for King Charles VI, "Given to Jacquemin Gringonneur, painter, for three packs of cards, gilt and colored, and variously ornamented, for the amusement of the king, fifty-six sols of Paris." These are not the so-called Gringonneur cards, aka Charles VI cards, which are a late fifteenth-century Ferrarese Tarot deck. These three decks might be better compared to the 1440 Tortona deck. (K I:24; GT 65-66; P 37.)

1393 Paris An anonymous describes in "Menagier de Paris" the life and occupations of Roman women in old times by refereing to the occupations of noble women in his own time: ".. les unes divisans, les autres jouans au bric, les autres a qui fery, les autres a pince-merille, les autres jouans aux cartes et aux autres jeux d'esbatemens avecques leurs voisines ..." The reporting Schreiber (1937) refers to Pere Menestrier, Bibliotheque curieuse et instructive, Trevoux 1704, vol. II., p.174) (S p. 68)

1396 Paris "At the French court a hawker or maker of cases, Guion Groslet appears in the account books of 1396 for having sold an estuy for the cards of Queen Isabelle of Bavaria (Charles VI's wife)." (Ortalli 178) Schreiber notes, that the entry of Hemon Raguier reads: "A Guiot Groslet, gaingnier, un estuy (etui) pour mettre les cartes de la royne, le petiz bastonnez d'ivoire et les roolles de parchemin 12 sols parisins." (S p. 68.)

1397 Paris Prohibition against card playing. (K I:24.) This may be the same prohibition referred to by Ortalli, "when the prevot of Paris forbade the gens de metier from playing cards on working days." (Ortalli 178.)
Schreiber notes, that this passage is given by many French sources, but that he couldn't detect any, which gives the source for it. Although he himself controlled various possible sources, he couldn't detect it. He adds, that surprizingly in France there is no other card prohibition till 1541 (it seems, that Schreiber isn't aware of the entry to Paris 1377 and Lille 1382)(S p. 68/69).

1400 Franciscan order: According to Schreiber the Franciscan Oliver Maillardus (died 1502) writes in the 20th speech of the "Quadregesimale opus Parissii predicatum": "Videatis quod habetis in statutis vestris, nunquid anno 1400 fuit prohibitum quod omnes ludi chartarum et sic aliis expellerentur et comburerentur: et qui inventus esset solvere solid. par." (Schreiber notes: In the printed edition of the Sermones of 1503, Lyon, on page 123). Indeed, as Schreiber adds, in the chapter 7, § 30 of the "Statuta tribus ordinibus beati Francisci necessaria" is given: "Quicunque frater deprehensus fuerit tunicam, pecuniam vel res alias ludere ad taxillos vel cartas seu alearum ludos: pena carceris puniatur.", but Schreiber interpretes, that this edict is from begin of 16th century and he has doubts about the older rules in the order. (S p. 69)

1404 Langres The bishop of Langres, cardinal Louis de Bar (1396 - 1413) gave a careful game prohibition, in which also playing cards are considered: "Prohibemus clericis et viris ecclesiasticis, potissime in sacris ordinibus constitutis, et maxime sacerdotibus et curatis, ne omnino ludant ad taxillos, ad aleas, ad trinquetum, quod aliter nominatur ad punctum stacarii, neque ad CARTAS, neque ad stophum, dictum a la paulme, neque ad neque ad iactum lapidis, ad saltum, ad choreas, neque ad clipeum, neque cum fistula vel aliis musicalibus instrumentis ... non ludant etiam ad marellas, ad bolas, ad cursum vel currendum in campo .., ad iaculandum vel gladiandum, ... ad quillas, vel torneamenta seu iostas, ... in ludo quo dicitur charevari, ... ad ludom scatorum, nisi forsan raro (Laurentii Bochelli (Bouchel), Decreta ecclesia Gallicanae, Paris 1609, p. 1025). Schreiber adds, that Langres is at this time a selfadministrated bistum between Burgund and Lothringia (not belonging to FRance). (S 69/70)

1408 Orleans in an inventory of the Duke and Duchess of Orleans, listing "ung jeu de quartes sarrasines and unes quartes de Lombardie (‘one pack of Saracen cards; one cards of Lombardy’)". (GT 42.)(S p. 70)
Schreiber adds in a footnote (refering to V. Gay, p. 286), that Louis d'Orleans, brother of the French king Charles VI., must have been a "Spielratte allerersten Ranges" ("first class gambling rat"): In the possession of baron de Joursanvault (Catalogue des Archives de M. le bn. de J., Paris 1838, vol. I, p. 103 - 105) were various bills about gambling losses of the duke. 1394 he lost in the "jeu de la paume" 200 livres de tournois; 1396 in the "jeu de echaiz" "une aulmure de gris a chanoine, further 1200 fr. in the "jeue de la bille" and other sums; 1397 he paid back various sums, which were lend to play "aux tables" and "au glic", also he had to cover various sums and losses to various persons.

1408 Paris Court records describe con artists using cards in a simple scam "with a psychological resemblance to Three-card Monte." (Giobbi; P 73.)

1423 Angers (then belonging to the dukedom Anjou):
Bishop Harduin of Angers edicts synodal statutes "Prohibemus etiam universis et singulis subditis tam ecclesiasticis quam saecularibus ne ipsi ad taxillos, cartas et alios sortis ludos ludere et mercatoribus, ne taxillos et allos hujusmodi ludorum instrumenta vendere (Martene et Durand, Thesaurus novus anecdotum seu collectio monument. et diplom., Paris 1717, vol 4, sp. 528). The edict is of importance, as it names card playing as a game of luck and it notes, that card decks could be bought by traders. (S p. 70)

1420 Perhaps Tarot reference

1427 Tournai Two card producers are recorded in the city, Michel de Noel (1427 - 1442) and Phillippe de Bos (1427 - 1450). In the second half of the 15th century other names follow (partly relatives of the earlier producers), Tournay becomes a major playing card production location in Flemish countries. (S p. 64 and 134)

1431 Avignon First French playing card producer mentioned (after Gringonneur 1393)

1440’s a second type of card is mentioned, Triumphs. Indicates invention in 1430’s (Milan)

1441 Avignon Bishop Alanus of Avignon gives some statutes "... statuimus et ordinamus, quod si quis clericus vel ecclesiastica persona ad ludos taxillorum, alearum vel cartarum publice vel occulte ... ludere praesumbit". (S p. 70)

1442 Tarot Deck extant

1443 Hundred years war ends.

1444 Lyon First card producer in the city.

1449 Monselice / Isabelle de Lorraine Letter and parcel of the Venetian provvedittore Iacopo Antonoio Marcello to Isabelle of Lorraine (wife of Rene d'Anjou), in which he sends the Michelino deck and another Trionfi deck to France (complex article).

1450 Tarot Deck Most likely originated earlier. (O’Neill (paraphrased) – they were heirloom copies of what most certainly existed outside of the royalty (mundane) circles and (since tightly held) would not have influenced the evolution of the images. Suggesting – that the game was already in existence…already played.

1454 Maria of Anjou: J. Bochetel (royal secretary and treasurer) made some entries in the account books of the royal household of Maria of Anjou (wife of Charles VII. and Queen of France, mother of Louis XI. and sister of Renee d'Anjou - lived from 1404 - 1463): "a Guilleaume Bouchier, marchant da Chinon, pour 2 jeux des quartes et 200 espingles (playing jetons) delivret audit Seigneur (Charles VII. de France) pour jouer et soy esbatre 5 sols tournois." A little later: "A Guyon Sergent, mercier demeurant a Saint-Aignan, pour 3 paires (decks) de quartes a jouer 5 sold tournois". And: "A Colas Gresle, mercier suivant la Cour, pour 2 jeux de quartes delivrez a MdS (Charles VII. de France) pour jouer et soy esbatre 4. d. tournois." And: "A Guillemin Moreau, appothicaire de Chinon, pour 2 jeux des quartes et demier millier d'espingles delivrez a mad. dame (Madeleine de France) pour jouer et soy esbatre 5 sols 4 d." And: "pour deux autres jeux 3 s. 4 d" (Schreiber refers to V. Gay, p. 286) (S p. 71).

1457 Aix de la Provence: In the inventory of a recently died merchant are noted "Item sex doudenas (72) ludorum cartarum sive de juos de de Cartas ascendunt flrenum unum grosses tres" (S p. 71, refers to R. d'Allemagne II, p. 525)

1455 Gutenberg’s Bible

1458 Lille, Philipp le Bon: Philipp changes the older prohibition (from

1382) by declaring his "bien archier de corps" Guille de Soomont, dit le Mire, as "fermier des jeux de brelancq, tablez, boulletz, dez, quartes, quilles et autres jeux". Any citizen could get allowance - against a fee - to make this games at his home (S p. 64 refers to R. d'Allemagne II, p. 486).

1475 - 1500 French Stenciling?

1464 France Translation of St. Bernardine’s 1423 sermon adds mention of the game of 31, precursor to the modern game of 21. (P 80.)

1465 Toulouse "we can say, what is not surprising, that the game [Tarot] was not yet known in France in 1465, since the statutes [Statuta nayperiorum], drawn up in that year, of the earliest association of master cardmakers in the whole of France, that of Toulouse, speak of naips sive cartas but make no mention of triumphi.”

1469 Charlotte, Queen of France (wife of Louis XI.) Bill about "2 jeux des cartes pour esbatre nosd. dames 5 sols tournois" (S p. 71 refering to R. d'Allemagne, II, p. 525)

1476 Lyon, Rene d'Anjou: Rene buys "ung jeu de cartes de Lion pour Hellene", the price is 11 gros d'argent.

1482 France According to the Dictionnaire de l’ancienne langue française, “…the earliest recorded use of the word [triumphe] in French as the name of a card game dates from as early as 1482. Unfortunately, we cannot be certain that these references are to games played with the Tarot pack.” Dummett considers it likely that this reference does refer to Tarot, which would thereby have been in France by about 1480. Another probable early reference to Tarot in France is from Lorraine, 1496, and one of the earliest unambiguous mentions of Tarot in France is to their manufacture at Lyons, in 1507. (GT 84; TT 50.)

1495/96 Gambling results of Rene II. Bills of the Lothringian court for King Rene II: "Au Roy, le 29 avril pour jouer au triumphe a Vezelise (capital of the Kanton, Nancy) deux francs" "Encore audit seigneur roy le 1'er mai pour jouer audit triumphe a Vezelise deux florins d'ors".

Thoughts...?

:smoker:
 

baba-prague

It almost goes without saying that the development of paper and print had much more to do with the development of playing cards than anything else (and the one - print - is in many ways dependent on the other - paper - no point in having print techniques if you are printing on extremely expensive vellum which is in short supply - may as well hand paint or write on that).

One of the best lessons I ever learned about cultural history was from Professor Christopher Frayling who pointed out in his film history lectures (some of the best lectures I ever went to) that it was technology not ideology, that led to film styles such as the panoramic "big picture" musical (often needs glass painting scenic technique) or, for that matter, the "fly on the wall" documentary (which tends to need hand-held cameras). Similarly, it seems to me obvious that technology - of paper and print-making - was much more important to the development and spread of playing cards than ideology. In the end, ideology can rarely overcome the limitations or hold back the opportunities brought about by new technologies. Once something is possible, it tends to be done.

I'm glad you brought this up - I tried a year or more back to begin a similar discussion about the importance of print technique in the design (I mean of the imagery) of playing cards (for example there's a good link here explaining why early woodblocks in Europe were crude http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/wdct/hd_wdct.htm). I got no response then - but it's a vital topic and should be discussed.
 

Fulgour

The Mother of Invention

I think it also helps to keep in mind that printing was originally applied
to fabric designs (also made from papyrus) which could allow for the
Tarot to have been depicted on a sheet ~ or sewn together on hides.
 

Huck

About "1320: Paper production in Nurremberg" I don't know anything. We've an article to Paper Mills:

http://trionfi.com/0/p/21/

1320 are possibly paper mills near Cologne/Mainz and in Leesdorf, near Vienna. Nurremberg has a good reported paper mill in 1390.

1367 : prohibition is in Bern, Switzerland, not in Germany.

The very early paper mills in Germany are usually not mentioned and it is stated, that Nurremberg was the first paper mill.
But it seems, that the production was difficult to be settled, and that earlier experiments "disappeared" from memory and existence ... perhaps in relation to the plague of 1348-1350, which should have ended a lot of promising projects.
The documentation of the earlier paper mills is "rather missing" - it's probable, but not secure. But it seems clear: Paper could exist without people immediately playing cards after the invention.
The German entry to 1288 is likely not of relevance.
 

baba-prague

Huck said:
But it seems clear: Paper could exist without people immediately playing cards after the invention.

Well of course. But isn't the point rather - as the subject of this thread implies - that playing cards were unlikely to become widespread without the availability of (relatively cheap) paper - and print techniques to go with it?

By analogy, I could have designed a website before the advent of the web (with SGML a crude kind of "web site" would have been easy enough) but there wasn't a whole lot of point in doing it until html came along. Of course, also by analogy, it would have been quite possible for html (and extensive networks) to come along and for no-one to begin building websites. But where the technology arises, the fact is that people usually begin to look for ways to use it - especially if those ways are fun and/or make money - and cards were both entertaining and - we can perhaps speculate (no pun intended) - quite profitable for the makers.
 

Huck

baba-prague said:
Well of course. But isn't the point rather - as the subject of this thread implies - that playing cards were unlikely to become widespread without the availability of (relatively cheap) paper - and print techniques to go with it?

By analogy, I could have designed a website before the advent of the web (with SGML a crude kind of "web site" would have been easy enough) but there wasn't a whole lot of point in doing it until html came along. Of course, also by analogy, it would have been quite possible for html (and extensive networks) to come along and for no-one to begin building websites. But where the technology arises, the fact is that people usually begin to look for ways to use it - especially if those ways are fun and/or make money - and cards were both entertaining and - we can perhaps speculate (no pun intended) - quite profitable for the makers.

In my opinion it's not necessary to have printing processes for playing card production. You can produce playing cards for yourself, when you've some hard paper. ... that would be the natural begin, printing them is only a refinement for better quality. Johannes of Rheinfelden talks 1377 of children in the streets playing the gam ... how should this been possible, if too much money is involved?
Likely playing card production without hard paper is impossible. So perhaps a change in paper quality caused the first playing card revolution, (ca. 1375 - 1385), not a specific printing progress.

We've no early playing cards surviving and most of the oldest extant cards are handpainted.

And, take some hard paper and paint them yourself without great quality-desire, you'll see you need perhaps only an hour or so.

Still in the year 1520 in Landau it was forbidden to Jews, to buy cards at other locations but only from "Meyer Chan, der zyt schulklepfers der Juden, der dan ein Kartenmaler was" ... in the case they were not able to produce them for their own use ("nit selbs machen").

We can observe an emperor Sigismondo in Mantua 1433, arranging a marriage to a German princess Barbara of Brandenburg, and when the princess arrivexd, they have a playing card press, which is used by the Ferarese court, which commissions the Montovan printer (1436/37).

http://trionfi.com/0/p04/

We've a case of some stress in Bologna 1427: John of Cologne ("Giovanni di Colonia"), son of John "who makes pictured playing cards" (qui facit cartesellas depictas ad ludendum) is noted as having injured another cardmaker, Giovanni da Bologna, in a fight. The fight was resolved in the house of another cardmaker in Bologna, Nicolo da Fabriano. [Orioli 1908, 111-112]
Also another printer mentioned in 1423 in Bologna in the San Bernardino context.

http://trionfi.com/0/l/51-bologna/

Important in this context: A German was involved, printing came from Germany.

We've a note about a Florentian producer in 1430, which also points to printing ("forme da naibj e da Santi").

We've a start of Imperatori/Karnöffel-context in 1423/26.
http://trionfi.com/0/p/06/
http://trionfi.com/0/p/07/

We've playing card laws of Filippo Maria Visconti 1421 - 1429 ... why don't we have various playing card laws from him in 1412 - 1421?
http://trionfi.com/0/p/08/

We have a long list of German producers for 15th century and the first in 1414 is called a card painter, not a printer, although his place is the most suitable place in all Germany, Nurremberg, and he is the only card painter, although Nurremberg will become most famous as production place in the whole context.
http://trionfi.com/0/p/20/
and the second is noted 1418 in Augsburg and then one 1422 in Nurremberg again ... which means right rather near to the date St.Christopherus, first extant woodcut in 1423.

We've as already shown a long list of French producers and the first is in Avignon, but before a few remarkable things happen:

1423 Angers (then belonging to the dukedom Anjou):
Bishop Harduin of Angers edicts synodal statutes "Prohibemus etiam universis et singulis subditis tam ecclesiasticis quam saecularibus ne ipsi ad taxillos, cartas et alios sortis ludos ludere et mercatoribus, ne taxillos et allos hujusmodi ludorum instrumenta vendere (Martene et Durand, Thesaurus novus anecdotum seu collectio monument. et diplom., Paris 1717, vol 4, sp. 528). The edict is of importance, as it names card playing as a game of luck and it notes, that card decks could be bought by traders. (S p. 70)

One should observe: " ... card decks could be bought by traders". Which actually means: Somewhere else is a production place, but not here (and it seems to say: "not here in France" - Provence in this case)


1427 Tournai
Two card producers are recorded in the city, Michel de Noel (1427 - 1442) and Phillippe de Bos (1427 - 1450). In the second half of the 15th century other names follow (partly relatives of the earlier producers), Tournay becomes a major playing card production location in Flemish countries. (S p. 64 and 134)

And that's a natural extension and a way from Germany to France:


1431 Avignon
First French playing card producer mentioned (after Gringonneur 1393)

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And all this cries to the researcher: Woodcut engraving didn't exist long, cause before any indication - besides the "Formschneiders - seems to be missing.
And there is a second playing card revolution in the 20s of 15th century, after the first had been drowned and socialised in the course of the 40-50 years before ... a common revolution as the consequence of a new media change.

1414: "Der Zopf ... der Zyngießer auf dem Markt ... der Turner ... die Zönchigerin,, H. Krewssel , Hanns Sebolt, Stephan Lebkuchner, Ulr. von Bricksen .... der Kartenmoler promiserunt yeds in einem Jahr nicht fail ze heben auf dem markt."

Schreiber concludes, cause the Kartenmoler is given without name, that he must have been the only one in the whole city. What I don't understand or what makes me interested: All this mentioned persons seem to promise to offer their products not on the market for one year. Why? Does they want that specific things don't appear in the public? Why? I don't know, but the council of Constance is near in time ... is this the reason? Shall it be avoided to provocate visitors from foreign countries (with perhaps playing cards prohibitions)? Isd this just a collection of persons, which didn't gave a good impression to the outside?
 

baba-prague

Huck said:
In my opinion it's not necessary to have printing processes for playing card production. You can produce playing cards for yourself, when you've some hard paper. ... that would be the natural begin, printing them is only a refinement for better quality. Johannes of Rheinfelden talks 1377 of children in the streets playing the gam ... how should this been possible, if too much money is involved?
Likely playing card production without hard paper is impossible. So perhaps a change in paper quality caused the first playing card revolution, (ca. 1375 - 1385), not a specific printing progress.

Of course it's self-evident that you can hand-paint cards - either crudely or in detail. But that's a slow process if you want to end up with something that someone else will buy (sorry, I really don't want to go into "capitalism for beginners" or something here - but you get my point - you either have to spend time or utilise skill - otherwise who would want to purchase if they could knock up their own deck just as well in an hour in any case? Time and skill are both expensive - printing reduces the need for both - sorry if this seems like stating the very obvious!)

Just as printing allowed books to be produced and distributed more widely (by allowing them to be sold at affordable prices for relatively good quality), surely the same is likely to have applied to cards? I think the huge impact of printing technologies on the availabilty of books is accepted, yes? Why should the same thing not apply to cards? Is this some argument about literacy? Is that what you'e saying, that it's easier to make your own deck of cards than to make your own book? I could see that as a valid argument - although it all depends what you mean by book of course ;-) But is this your argument?

Or are you talking about a specific printing process, as I see you might be when I reread your post. If so, well again, I'm not clear why the specifics of the print process apply here - I think the thread is addressing the issue of the impact that paper and print may have had on the production of cards. I'm not sure that the exact print process used (I mean, what are we talking about here - whether they used boxwood or pear wood??? Or do you class stencils as a form of printing?) is really the point.

So, apologies, I'm not quite clear what your argument is here. Please clarify.

Of course, I'd reiterate again that to have the kind of impact we're talking about, print requires (relatively cheap, relatively easily obtained) paper - which I think is what the original post here is saying, if I haven't misunderstood it.
 

Rosanne

very Interesting Baba-Prague. I looked to the church for when they started mass printing out of Indulgences to raise money. It was very successful. They were hand written in the 11th century then they were mass produced in the middle of the 13th century by woodblock process to look like they were handwritten. I can't find my notes on it- but if memory serves me right it was to raise money for the crusade that Richard the II was involved in. ~Rosanne
 

Huck

Rosanne said:
very Interesting Baba-Prague. I looked to the church for when they started mass printing out of Indulgences to raise money. It was very successful. They were hand written in the 11th century then they were mass produced in the middle of the 13th century by woodblock process to look like they were handwritten. I can't find my notes on it- but if memory serves me right it was to raise money for the crusade that Richard the II was involved in. ~Rosanne

...:) I just discuss with Baba, that woodcut engraving did perhaps develop 1415, just requesting arguments which make the common dating ca. 1400 plausible, now you surprize us with a European woodblock process in mid of 13th century. Well, that's progress ... :) ... perhaps some books must be rewritten. What do you think of this article, not a very good one, but I haven't better English material at hand.

http://www.woodblock.com/encyclopedia/entries/011_04/history.html

As far I know, woodblock books were created after woodcut engraving and are dated usually 1430 - 1480, occasionally even later.