Christianity and Tarot

MeeWah

Raeanne: There may be confusion with the Old Testament enhortations regarding idolatry--Deuteronomy 4.15-24 (St Joseph Edition of the New American Bible):
*You saw no form at all on the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb from the midst of the fire. Be strictly on your guard, therefore, not to degrade yourselves by fashioning an idol to represent any figure, whether it be the form of a man or woman, of any animal on the earth or of any bird that flies in the sky, or of anything that crawls on the ground or of any fish in the waters under the earth. And when you look up to the heavens and behold the sun or the moon or any star among the heavenly hosts, do not be led astray into adoring them and serving them...Take heed, therefore, lest, forgetting the covenant which the Lord, your God, has made with you, you fashion for yourselves against his command an idol in any form whatsoever. For the Lord, your God, is a consuming fire, a jealous God.*
The Ten Commandments are listed in Deuteronomy 5.
Also, Deuteronomy 13.1-19:
*Every command that I enjoin on you, you shall be careful to observe, neither adding to it nor subtracting from it.
If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer who promises you a sign or wonder, urging you to follow other gods, whom you have not known, and to serve them: even though the sign or wonder he has foretold has come to pass, pay no attention to the words of that prophet or that dreamer; for the Lord, your God, is testing you to learn whether you really love him with all your heart and with all your soul. The Lord, your God, shall you follow, and him shall you fear; his commandment shall you observe, and his voice shall you heed, serving him and holding fast to him alone. But that prophet or that dreamer shall be put to death, because, in order to lead you astray from the way which the Lord, your God, has directed you to take, he has preached apostasy from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and ransomed you from that place of slavery. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or your intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nation, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him...You shall stone him to death...If, in any of the cities which the Lord, your God, gives you to dwell in, you hear it said that certain scoundrels have sprung up among you and have led astray the inhabitants of their city to serbe other gods whom you have not known, you must inquire carefully into the matter and investigate it thoroughly. If you find that it is true and an established fact...you shall put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, dooming the city and all life that is in it, even its cattle...you shall burn the city with all its spoils as a whole burnt offering to the Lord, your God...*
Strong words, aren't they? They seem to be in direct contradiction to the New Testament; however, I've understood the Old Testament is usually associated with Judaism; the New with Christianity.
The various books of the Bible were written by different writers & in different times. The prevailing cultures, social climate & intellectualism (or lack thereof) may have had their influences on any written records.
 

Jimilyn

Oops! Used the back button and reposted a couple of times. Sorry. :(

Jimilyn
 

nexyjo

i believe these quotes, from the king james version, are what were referred to:

Deuteronomy 18:10
There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch...

2 Kings 17:17
And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

Ezekiel 12:24
For there shall be no more any vain vision nor flattering divination within the house of Israel.

Acts 16:16
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying...

Ecclesiasticus 34:5
Divinations, and soothsayings, and dreams, are vain: and the heart fancieth, as a woman's heart in travail.

for biblical searches, i've found a pretty good resource:
http://unbound.biola.edu/

hope this helps.

luv and light,
nexy
 

Jimilyn

Quote:MeeWah (12 Aug, 2001 06:14):
For the Lord, your God, is a consuming fire, a jealous God.*

(snip)

I've understood the Old Testament is usually associated with Judaism; the New with Christianity.
The various books of the Bible were written by different writers & in different times. The prevailing cultures, social climate & intellectualism (or lack thereof) may have had their influences on any written records.

Jehovah is indeed a jealous God.

The Old Testament is indeed associated with Judaism. However, both Old and New Testaments pertain to Christianity. The New Testament is considered to be the fulfillment of Old Testament prophesies.

Many Christian denominations consider the Bible to be the inerrant word of God regardless of human, societal, or intellectual influences. Not all Christian denominations believe this, however.

I have significantly modified how I look at it (I was raised Southern Baptist)...obviously, or else I wouldn't be interested in learning to read the Tarot. lol

Catcha later,
Jimilyn
 

Cindy

umm, I can't remember just where but I think there is something of the sort in there opposing divination. Of course the passage you were speaking of Raeanne is also in the Bible. I don't have my Bible handy so I cannot say exactly where these passages are. Also alot depends on which Bible you are using. They all slightly differ.
In my take of it all, I don't particulary see or use Tarot for means of divination. I believe the Tarot can show you some past circumstances, and also your current tread. The 'future' part, which would be where divination comes into play can get rather sketchy. Alot people believe the Tarot can show where you are 'most likely' going to end up in your situation if you stay on the path you are on presently on. Everything is subject to change. That is where free will comes in. So I guess how you personally choose to view the Tarot will depend on alot of how you feel about its divination aspect. I tend to use the Tarot as a means of self exploration. I also explain 'how' I read the cards to anyone that wants mean to read for them (which I don't personally like to do, but...) so they know up front, I am not a fortune teller! lol!!
I think that is all now.....

Cindy ~
 

rob

Well, this is an interesting thread. As some one who lurked alot before the rebuilding I'm glad to see that nothing has changed.

As to the questions and answers here, I think that the major point everyone made that I most appreciated (as a Catholic myself) is that the tool, though it may be used for evil, is not evil unto itself.

As others discovered, my priest also agrees with this. If you let ANYTHING rule your life it can be turned to evil.

As to the bible, as many have already said, depending on your interpretation, there are passages in the new testament and old that are viewed as condemnation of divination. I don't accept that interpretation, but that's for me. If anyone is uncomfortable with the use of ANY tool, then I suggest you stay away from something that will cause you a dilema of concience.

-rob
 

MeeWah

Nexy: Thanks for the web addy & the additional info! I had a rough idea of where certain passages were located, so went through my bibles with a fine tooth comb :D It didn't occur to me to look online, but that's ok because now I shouldn't forget--
Rob: Welcome! Glad you've joined us--we are an eclectic group :)
I grew up with strong Buddhist & Catholic influences & appreciate both. As I see Tarot & related studies as primarily vehicles for knowledge, I have no problem with the divinatory aspects. Knowledge is a two-edged sword. Having respect for knowledge as well as how one uses such knowledge or any other material are the keys.
 

Knight of Swords

I'm a Christian (a "somewhat practicing" Episcopalian) and I read tarot. I view tarot as a tool that can be used for good or evil, and part of my ritual when doing a reading is a silent prayer for God's guidance, and that what I am about to do may be pleasing in His sight.

By the way, I just found a Christian-themed deck called the Tarot of the Saints (published as a book/deck set by Llewellyn) that, as the title suggests, relates the lives of the saints to the tarot, especially the Major Arcana and court cards. I haven't worked with it too much yet, having just gotten it yesterday, but am eager to get to know this new deck. While the box says that the set is a "gnostic Christian" tarot, I think the emphasis should probably be on "Christian." There are some gnostic references, but most of the themes in the cards would be consistent with orthodox (small "o") Christianity.
 

Kimon

Hi,
in the bible St. Paul is talking a lot against it (as to many things), later Augustinus condemmed it (also as many other things). But this all is subject to interpretations; open-minded catholics said and are saying that they meant the heretic pagans that used divination in their cult.
The main movement against divination was in the middle ages and up to the inquisition time, where not divination, but the witches (who used this) were the topic and the church was fighting for its existence by trying to kill all of them.
Greetings,
Kimon