Cold Case: Sister Catherine Cesnik.

DownUnderNZer

Am about to watch a documentary called the "The Keepers" (Netflix) which is based on the "cover up" behind the murder of Sister Catherine Cesnik.

47 years on it is still a cold case.


So, I am about to pull some cards and compare it to any information that comes up through out each episode whether it "matches" or may very well be something "new".

And...I may even do additional readings before each episode, if need be, to see if it connects to that episode and what unfolds or not in it.


Will see how it goes....


NOTE: Do not know much at all and have kept it that way as LESS is MORE plus I do not what any biases.

DND :)
 

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BLUE OWL. Random and focus. 3 to 9 cards.


On the day Cesnik was murdered how did she meet her killer or killers...or come across her/him/them?

RIDER/CHILD/WOMAN/BOUQUET/GARDEN


Bottom line - out in public more or less, so not in her work or home environment. So, in other words, I do not think she was abducted or taken from home or the school she worked at at all. However, if she lived in a townhouse or well kept residence like condos/units/apartments with a nice kept garden then she could have gone missing from there only maybe outside of it.

As I see it, she received some brief information or message and may have been out doing something like shopping, dinner, movies (Bouquet) and that is the situation in which she met the person(s). It seems to point out that she found out something quite fresh/new. Whoever killed her was not just known to her either, but others within the community I'd say. (Garden).



Why was she killed?
DOG/SNAKE/SHIP

I tend to think because she was seen as an "enemy" and not "trustworthy". Someone wanted her out of the picture because she was a "problem" for some reason and a "liability".


So, how is it that a sister or nun could possibly be seen in a light like that and one that was a teacher for that matter.

Interesting.



What happened to her killer or where is that person now?
HOUSE/SNAKE/BOUQUET/TOWER/RIDER

I would go with - in the same area or location as the murder or where ever the murderer's home town is located. Could be dead or alive, but nothing to suggest dead really. Trouble would have followed this person and s/he was trouble. S/he would never have known true poverty or just the basic comforts. Either this person could be in prison, hospital, a hospice, an institute, or the government or actually isolated from the rest of the world.

Information is yet to come forward on her/him and I would say that it will. So, there is a possibility this case could be solved as that information is not known yet.



Now for the first episode.......



DND :)
 

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FIRST EPISODE: UPDATE.

It seems Cisnek was out shopping for groceries and a gift for her sister's engagement. She cashed a check, bought some dinner rolls etc. This was at a shopping center near her apartment. Some woman saw her in her car at about 8:30 pm there as though she was "waiting".

As for her apartment it has gardens and a car park. Quite a nice establishment actually.

What is new in this was another girl went missing 5 days later - similar circumstances like shopping, car turning up, and then a dead body. Two white young females more or less from the same area. Her name was Joyce Malecki.

No one can really say where Cisnek went missing exactly though.

A student that night and her friend were spying on the house of a male teacher which was not too far from Cisnek's apartment and they heard some man going off his rocker in that direction. Yelling. They thought it was something bad, so took off home in a hurry.

In addition, her car when it turned up, was parked on the corner near her apartment jutting out illegally.

So, there is a chance that she could have been taken either from the shopping center or outside her apartment building especially as the car ended up there hours after she disappeared.



DND :)



On the day Cesnik was murdered how did she meet her killer or killers...or come across her/him/them?

RIDER/CHILD/WOMAN/BOUQUET/GARDEN


Bottom line - out in public more or less, so not in her work or home environment. So, in other words, I do not think she was abducted or taken from home or the school she worked at at all. However, if she lived in a townhouse or well kept residence like condos/units/apartments with a nice kept garden then she could have gone missing from there only maybe outside of it.

As I see it, she received some brief information or message and may have been out doing something like shopping, dinner, movies (Bouquet) and that is the situation in which she met the person(s). It seems to point out that she found out something quite fresh/new. Whoever killed her was not just known to her either, but others within the community I'd say. (Garden).



DND :)
 

DownUnderNZer

Cannot remember who said something about the "dumping sites", but whoever dumped those bodies must have known those areas well. Remote locations around the town.

So, to me that would suggest someone known locally or within the community. Not a stranger to the area.


ADDING: And to be so remote or isolated I wonder if it would be someone that was an outdoors type like a hunter or hiker etc. Even law enforcement cannot be ruled out.



DND :)




FIRST EPISODE: UPDATE.

It seems Cisnek was out shopping for groceries and a gift for her sister's engagement. She cashed a check, bought some dinner rolls etc. This was at a shopping center near her apartment. Some woman saw her in her car at about 8:30 pm there as though she was "waiting".

As for her apartment it has gardens and a car park. Quite a nice establishment actually.

What is new in this was another girl went missing 5 days later - similar circumstances like shopping, car turning up, and then a dead body. Two white young females more or less from the same area. Her name was Joyce Malecki.

No one can really say where Cisnek went missing exactly though.

A student that night and her friend were spying on the house of a male teacher which was not too far from Cisnek's apartment and they heard some man going off his rocker in that direction. Yelling. They thought it was something bad, so took off home in a hurry.

In addition, her car when it turned up, was parked on the corner near her apartment jutting out illegally.

So, there is a chance that she could have been taken either from the shopping center or outside her apartment building especially as the car ended up there hours after she disappeared.



DND :)
 

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"EPISODE 2: UPDATE"

Not sure about the "witness" who claims to have seen the body because that is something far too enormous to sit on and the trauma to the body would have given her nightmares for years after seeing it. How can you block that out? :bugeyed: Have a hard time believing that part of her story although I do believe the abuse was real.

Anyways......

Two days before Cisnek disappeared two girls went to her apartment to tell her about being sexually abused by the school priest/chaplain and the night before another girl went there with her boyfriend. Same situation. The chaplain busted in on this second meeting apparently.


So, this might be the "fresh/new information" that had come to her attention.

NOTE: When the chaplain/priest had some of these girls in his office for "sessions" he would sometimes have "other men" there to be "serviced" including "police officers" -therefore "law enforcement".


Whoever killed her, I reckon, was no stranger. But the question is - is her death connected to the second murder in anyway or is it just a coincidence.

What I will say is this - if the killer was one and the same then there would be a lot more murders with the same ammo, also, spaced out more to start with due to her/him finding her his/way. 5 days apart is usually someone seasoned or very sloppy. When a killer kills more frequently it is because the 'buzz" has worn off so s/he needs that "fix" and/or s/he is comfortable enough to do it or wants to be caught. I do not think the killer(s) was/were born yesterday as the bodies were well placed, no evidence, and no fingerprints.


DND :)





BLUE OWL. Random and focus. 3 to 9 cards.


On the day Cesnik was murdered how did she meet her killer or killers...or come across her/him/them?

RIDER/CHILD/WOMAN/BOUQUET/GARDEN


Bottom line - out in public more or less, so not in her work or home environment. So, in other words, I do not think she was abducted or taken from home or the school she worked at at all. However, if she lived in a townhouse or well kept residence like condos/units/apartments with a nice kept garden then she could have gone missing from there only maybe outside of it.

As I see it, she received some brief information or message and may have been out doing something like shopping, dinner, movies (Bouquet) and that is the situation in which she met the person(s). It seems to point out that she found out something quite fresh/new. Whoever killed her was not just known to her either, but others within the community I'd say. (Garden).



DND :)
 

DownUnderNZer

Forgot to say that when my mother told me about this documentary coming soon to Netflix that the main suspect was a priest.

So, I did know that.

But keeping an open mind I did not want to bring him into it and am so glad I didn't as it seems his DNA didn't connect to the crime scene at all after it was tested over weeks. His body was exhumed at the start of this year for that purpose and the results just released.

Does not mean he is not behind her death though, but it would be hard to prove being almost 50 years now.

It just caught my attention that she had "blunt trauma to the side of her head and a hole the size of a quarter to the back" (10 cent Australian coin size maybe) so that makes me think that she was attacked from the side or behind and likely did not see it coming. I believe she was outside of the car as there was no mess inside or blood splatter. Photos in the documentary show the car and there is no blood or signs of a struggle that I can see. So, there is a possibility she had no idea who her killer was or that she was a target.

Well, she may have known the person in life, just not when attacked from behind.

With the other victim - no blows to the head, so it may not be the same killer just a coincidence unless being a nun may have made a difference when it came to the deed.


Some have brought forward who they think did it in their families and those stories actually seem quite feasible. However, the nephew's story of his "Uncle Bill" and "Skippy" on the night of the abduction and murder has a hole in it unless Cisnek's room mate was not home. The impression I have is that she was home as she made calls after some time when Cisnek had not returned, so there is no way two men would have been in and out dealing with a body if the room mate was present.



Cannot wait for the next episode......



DND :)
 

DownUnderNZer

Ready for round two.....the last of the documentary. Three suspects and a few twists coming up it seems.

Will decide after if I want to read more on it as regardless it still comes down to "facts". Unless there is concrete evidence and real facts - no case.


DND :)
 

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"WERNER SPITZ":

The coroner used in her case was the same one I believe that dealt with some very famous cases like John F Kennedy, some well known serial killers, homicides, and even cases I have never heard of involving infamous killers/murderers etc. Cases like: Casey Anthony/the Scare Way Killer/JonBonnett Ramsey/ Memphis Three etc.

Anyways.....

The coroner mentioned that Cisnek's body was half exposed as in her skirt pulled up to reveal her torso and bottom half. No nun's garments by the sounds of it. She was severely assaulted as in raped. And as for her skull he did show a photo of the side. There was a large hole there.

As I see it - to me she was left "exposed" which means her killer likely had no respect for women and definitely not for her. This is not brought up in the episodes and is my own perspective. In addition, to be "exposed" like that or even "displayed" is also a form of artwork for some killers. The coroner didn't say she was "positioned" or "displayed", but I actually wonder. Will need to go back to that episode to re-watch it.

I think I will need to work on some more Lenormand questions for this thread perhaps to clarify the "loose ends" in the documentary because in some ways it does bring up "questions".


DND :)
 

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FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS:

This will be done between now and the end of next weekend when I find the time. Some may have to be rephrased. Be interesting to see which ones will be the stumpers or not!.

1) What is one way to bring the Cisnek case to a close?

2) What can be done to find her killer?

3) "Liability" was brought up initially in the first readings done - why was she a "liability" or someone not to be "trusted"?

4) Assuming or presuming her killer was "male" - describe him physically/traits/character?

5) Is there a chance that her murder involved more than one person - if so, what can be given in the way of information?

6) How likely is it that Malecki and Cisnek's murders are connected?

7) When Sister Russell died - what "secrets" (if any) did she die with?

8) What really was Koob doing on the night of the murder?



DND :)
 

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1) What is one way to bring the Cisnek case to a close?

Blue Owl. 5 cards. Random.

Storks/Lily/CROSS/Mice/Dog

Changes need to be made and going right back or this could be about it being time to evolve and deal with it through specialists and experts that have the experience with cold cases from A to Z. The past and/or history of this case needs to be looked at again Something was started and is yet to be completed. There are unanswered questions that need answers.

With CROSS - maybe the CHURCH connected to Cisnek may need to be examined again and a bit more closely.

It needs to be nibbled at bit by bit and perhaps dealt with in a laborious way and in a team rather than one person or one department, also, it should be people who are able to work together in 100% trust.



DND :)