Death's Scythe and the Tarot

jmd

For ease of cross reference, this thread was opened from posts that were split from Exploring the Cary Sheet in the Marseille and Other Early Decks Forum, beginning at post 70.

Some early posts may refer or imply previous posts from that thread.
 

kwaw

Death as mounted rider with scythe

Timothy Betts makes an interesting observation about the image of death as a skeleton, mounted on a horse, and carrying a scythe. While each of these elements individually may be traced to 14th century, the earliest actuall instance of these coming together in one image we have on record is c.1480.

According to Betts:

quote:
"This convention has come under considerable scrutiny because of its
influence upon Albrecht Durers print 'The Four Horsemen of the
Apocalypse' shown earlier*. Art historians believe that the image of
death as a skeleton rider (without the scythe) first appeared in
illustrated Apocalypses from the Low Countries shortly after 1400.
The scythe is even older. In the 1330's Giotte replaced the hand
sickle... with a large scythe in his frescoes for the Peruzzi chapel
of Santa Croce in Florence, Italy...

"As far as is known, the [skeleton] rider and scythe came together
for the first time in a series of German woodcut illustrations in
1478-9, 1483 and 1485, for the Cologne (Quentelle), Nuremberg
(Kolberger) and Stausberg (Gruninger)Bibles...

"The German Bible woodcuts did capture the attention of other
European artists. Historians speculate that Albrecht Durer saw and
was influenced by the Kolberger print in his illustrations of the
Apocalypse published in 1498 and reissued in 1515, where he
substituted a pitchfork for the scythe.

"Similar experiments were tried by other artists in the last decade
of the fifteenth century. The Triumph of Death fresco in the National
Gallery at Palermo painted at this time shows the fourth horsemen
with a bow and arrow. Another, portrayed in the Romance of the Rose
painted for Louise of Savoy...carries a spear.

"By the first quarter of the 16th century, the scythe had won out as
the accepted convention. Not before the mid-fifteenth century, as we
would have to believe, if the skeleton rider with a scythe on the
Visconti-Modrone Death card was painted for Filipo Maria Visconti who
died in 1447."
end quote from 'Tarot and the Millenium' by Timothy Betts, p. 104-107.

Betts includes an illustration from the Strausberg Bible [1485], which along with Death [as fourth horsemen of the apocalypse] as a skeleton rider with Scythe also shows a cluster of figures beneath including a Pope and a King similar to the cluster of figures in the CVI death card.

If Betts is correct then it creates questions about the dating of early painted cards which include this type of figure of death, for example the Visconti-Modrone and the 'Charles VI' [with which we have noted many similarities with our printed sheet]. If Betts is correct then these must be dated far later than is currently supposed [Betts dates them to c.1520-1540]. Similarly with early printed decks/sheets with this figure.

There is however the c.1300 image le pendu posted of "The Triumph of Death", from the Sacro Speco, Subiaco, Italy. Dated late 1300s.

Image:
http://www.philipresheph.com/a424/g...iclib/img43.jpg

Which shows death as rider with sword and scythe, but rare exceptions aside as a convention it does appear to be post 1500. Perhaps in this instance it was the card designers that led convention, rather than followed it. In the 1470's many German printers set up in Italian cities, and with them moved many German engravers, particularly in Venice. It is possible explanation that a German engraver, visiting or resident in Northern Italy for a while, saw either one of these painted cards or a printed version with similar iconography, and took it back to Germany?

Kwaw
 

kwaw

kwaw said:
Image:
http://www.philipresheph.com/a424/gallery/piclib/piclib4.htm

Perhaps in this instance it was the card designers that led convention, rather than followed it. In the 1470's many German printers set up in Italian cities, and with them moved many German engravers, particularly in Venice. It is possible explanation that a German engraver, visiting or resident in Northern Italy for a while, saw either one of these painted cards or a printed version with similar iconography, and took it back to Germany?

Kwaw

In Subiaco, home of the above image, "Arnold Pannartz and Conrad Schweinheim, two German ecclesiastics, set up here the first printing press in Italy,"

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Subiaco

Kwaw
 

Rosanne

Below is scan of Page 272 Vol.II Kaplan ...Italian Tarocchi Cards from the fifteenth or sixteenth century. I feel this date is wrong for this sheet as the two dovetail handles on the scythe handle indicate it would not have been before 1600 as two handles were placed on scythes in 1600 - not before. So in my mind this sheet is 17th Century. ~Rosanne
 

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jmd

Even if it is the case that both the end and middle handles were placed on the reaping scythe only in the 1600s, the image of XIII as Death mounted on a horse with scythe from the partial sheet in Kaplan's Encyclopedia of Tarot, vol II (p272) has only ONE transversal handle: at the end of the wooden piece, not in the centre.

A number of earlier (from the 14th century, I think) depictions of scythes with an end transverse handle (even if not centre) are found outside tarot, so the sheet could be dated, on this alone, prior to the turn of the 17th century.

In terms of the middle transverse handle, there is, admittedly, a cutting in the stick that suggests that a cross-bar may be inserted (in either of two places). This is more clearly seen in the Budapest sheet (from the same woodblock) shown on p 276 of the same volume.

Scythes with death are not common, as has been discussed by others before, outside tarot and certainly prior to plague outbreaks. Why this particular and rarer representation (as opposed to the bow-and-arrow versions) established itself in tarot iconography may be for a combination of factors, including its easy differentiation and identification in a sequence of relatively small images on cards.

I personally need to be convinced, however, that the scythe with cross-handles was not represented prior to the 1600s, given that earlier dated imagery with scythe and apparent (at least with end) transverse bar appears.
 

kwaw

jmd said:
I personally need to be convinced, however, that the scythe with cross-handles was not represented prior to the 1600s, given that earlier dated imagery with scythe and apparent (at least with end) transverse bar appears.

I agree with Roseanne that the scythe of death on the dick sheet appears to show two dovetail handle joints in the centre of the scythe [she is not talking about the cross bar at the top, a cross bar at the top and a single handle in the middle do appear on earlier scythes], which would date it to the 17th century.

Kwaw
 

Rosanne

I hope this works! Here is a colour repro. of a painting in 1250 showing a scythe with a cross bar top and one dovetail handle. Below is a tiny drawing from 1767 of a two dovetail handle scythe and a sickle. Lets hope you can make it out. I have tryed to find a two handle depiction portrayed before 1600. I will search out the book I read at the Engineers University Library and give quote and Author. I believe there is a book called 'Scythes' which gives a detailed history of the dates I have mentioned. Note that the later scythes had curved snaths as well almost like the question mark '?'~Rosanne
 

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Ross G Caldwell

Hi Roseanne,

Rosanne said:
I hope this works! Here is a colour repro. of a painting in 1250 showing a scythe with a cross bar top and one dovetail handle. Below is a tiny drawing from 1767 of a two dovetail handle scythe and a sickle. Lets hope you can make it out. I have tryed to find a two handle depiction portrayed before 1600. I will search out the book I read at the Engineers University Library and give quote and Author. I believe there is a book called 'Scythes' which gives a detailed history of the dates I have mentioned. Note that the later scythes had curved snaths as well almost like the question mark '?'~Rosanne

there is no way the colour picture was painted in 1250! It is at the earliest 1400. But it could even be 1500, depending on the region it was painted in.
 

Rosanne

Well Ross, who am I to argue with that- but the colour plate comes from
Fastoff Mater's Book of Hours (c 1250)
~Rosanne
 

Ross G Caldwell

Rosanne said:
Well Ross, who am I to argue with that- but the colour plate comes from
Fastoff Mater's Book of Hours (c 1250)
~Rosanne

It's not you Rosanne, but that style of art cannot be from the 13th century.

I can't find "Fastoff Mater" anywhere (or "Fastoff Mater's Book of Hours" either). Can you give me the bibliographic information?

Ross