Destiny or Fate

[SunChariot]

I just did a reading for myeslf and what came up felt so fascinating to me that I had to share. I asled about the nature of destiny.

I am not mentioning here which cards came up to give me these answers, as I am not intend this ti be an analysis of the cards. But what I would love here is opinions on what came up for me and what would be really fun is is others asked similar questions of their cards and to hear what came up for them. Here is mine. (Anyone how is an atheist, will probably disagree with all this) I asked:

Question 1: What does it mean when something is destined to happen? (how does destiny work)

--First the Universe hears a heartfelt thought that you had

--Then the Universe shares that thought with you, and shares your belief about it. The Universe agrees with you that what you want is ultimately a good thing for you to have, that it would be good for you to have it.

--Then something just and fair is created, that starts to grow tall and strong. The creative power is ampliphed and the Universe gets behind creating this.

--That what is "destined" to happen will almost magically appear at the appointed time. Sometimes even against all odds.

(I found all this just fascainting as it means in effect that we are the creators of our dssinty, or at least the c0-creators. This means ite all starts with us, with an original thought or desire from us)

QUestion 2:How solid IS this destiny that is created in this way?

--Once something is desitned to happen, ir will be completed and created. It becomes like a contract between yourself and the universe.

--Things will be transformed from one form to another.

--But what is created will always be created from love and what is in your best interests/

I then thought of a man in my life that my cards have been telling me we were meant to become more for a whole now. He came into my life in a way that I could not avoid meeting him. So I though I did not have that orignal thought before I met him....So I asked:

What did the Universe think woudl happen when it brought him into my life?
--That we would care abotu each other, that we would both feel that. The Ubiverse knew in advnace that we woudl both have those feelings for each other if we met, caring and nurturing feelings.

What did it expect would happen between us?
--that togeher he and I would create somethign loving and love-based (these two anaswer have already happened)

Was anything dsstined to happen at this point? (when we first met?)
--The Uniiverse hoped (the Star) that we would reach that point but it was not yet set. The potential was there for it to become destiny, but it was not yet set. Apparently only we can set our Dsstiny by having that thought, that certaitly that we truly want something to be. That is what I am getting int his reading.

Then what happened ? (for us to now be on a destined path...I am told all the time now by my cards that we are destined to be)
--Then the creative powers of the Universe engages 100% in creating what I have been told in my readings is destined to haoppen. Apprarently after I had the thought and the certainly of what I wanted (and I know I prayed for ti mroe than a few times too. LOL)

I just thoght this was SO interesting, the role the cards say we play in our own desinty. It does tend to support the Law of Attradion .....whcih I did not even believe in until now. Now I am wondering...Any commemts or anyone eles want to ask any similar questions and share what comes upo for you?

Can't wait to hear

Babs

 

[DownwardSpiral]

Oh this is fascinating : ) I have Tarot and oracle cards and am always at a loss as to what to ask them.

Call it the law of attraction...call it manifesting.....call it whatever you like but the cards did an excellent job of describing the process.

I believe that our thoughts CAN become our reality. One thing I've noticed is that if you really want something....the more open you are about how it comes about the better. Meaning don't try to plan all the little details. Things can and do come in unexpected ways. Keep an open mind and the universe will start sending you signs to bring you closer to what you desire.

Oh I'm also a believer that our destiny isn't set in stone.

If I get the chance I just may try to come up with a similar question so I can share here.

And I hope others try this and share as well....some interesting insights are sure to come out : )

 

[SunChariot]

I love to ask my cards questions abotu teh meaning of life. I find they excel at that and come up with some fascintating thiings.

I even started to wonder about that heartfelt thought that starts the process might (at least sometimes) be a prayer.

I hope you find time, woudl just love to see what your cards say.

Interestingly I did beleive taht our Destinies were set int stone, until today when I did the reading, Now I am rethinking it all. Maybe tehy are but WE are the ones who set them in that stone. So that means we are still in control.

Also thank you so much for teh wonderful advice on not trying to sontrol HOW things happna dn the detials. I am having problems with that now adn teh advice really helped a lot. Also I find agout that when you do get embroiled in worry and such it lowes yoru vivrational level and then uou doen't see the signs life esnds you as easialy and migh miss some...

Babs

 

[DownwardSpiral]

--Once something is desitned to happen, ir will be completed and created. It becomes like a contract between yourself and the universe.

I find this part of the reading especially fascinating.

Maybe we do set our own destinies if that's what we truly desire. Ha, that's how I ended up in Chicago.

As far as putting out your ideas (desires) to the universe this is what comes to mind....say you want a new car so you tell the universe.....I'm going to work extra hours so I can save my money and buy a new car from the dealership on X street. So the universe helps you get the extra hours you need so you can save your money. If you simply put it out to the universe you are getting a new car....now the universe can help you get the extra hours, money shows up unexpectedly, your best friend decides to get rid of thee car you desire and offers to sell it to you, your driving down the street and there's a huge clearance event going on at the dealership on Y street.....you get the idea. If your set in your mind that what you desire will happen in steps 1, 2 and 3....you'll miss the signs the universe offers you.

 

[Milfoil]

Destiny or Pooh Sticks?

This is a very interesting question and from a "how does My particular understanding of life work" viewpoint, the answers may make sense but the Universe is much bigger than Me and my petty concerns so Destiny (in my understanding and experience of the concept) is not tied merely to my wishes and concerns. I am but a tiny part of a greater puzzle.

Concepts such as 'Just and Fair' are very human and don't necessarily fit in with a Universal balancing act that has to take place for every action and reaction. When a natural disaster occurs, which many may count as destined, who or what is it just and fair to?

When I journey in trance, I see that there is SO much going on behind the scenes of our mundane, visible lives, however I wish to believe or regard it, that to consider only my concerns to be taken into account is naive. IF what I come to realise about my talents, gifts, way of thinking, being etc falls into line with the best possible scenario for all other things, then yes, the Universe seems to open paths for those interactions to take place (hence if we don't know and are just open, things work better). When I fight against it, cower away and fail to see the larger flow of the river then it's just me who gets caught like a twig washed up against the rocks.

Is Destiny the river or the rock?

As far as the 'law of attraction' and manifesting things goes, well yes, everything starts with a thought but as the old saying goes "God helps those who help themselves" and it's not what you ask, plead for, dream about or visualise, but where you take that dream, how you read the signs along the way and DO what is necessary to bring that about. Athletes don't win gold medals by writing about it or giving lectures - they train hard and DO it.

Something as simple as asking for the overtime to earn a new car, supposing the overtime never comes and instead the firm closes down? Was that manifesting going wrong or do you now no longer need a new car? Was it destiny or a case of being shown a new turn in the river? How does 'fair and just' come into that and how was the law of attraction working there?

If things are always done with my best interests at heart, then I cannot possibly know what my best interests are. How is it possible to understand the brutal killing of a baby - what purpose does that serve to that soul? Did they agree to it before being born? None of us can faithfully answer these questions so for me, Destiny and Fate are simply deeper flows in the river where everything is heading in one direction. I can learn to see it work with it, even fight it if I want, I have free will but will it make any difference in such overwhelming odds?

 

[SunChariot]

This is a very interesting question and from a "how does My particular understanding of life work" viewpoint, the answers may make sense but the Universe is much bigger than Me and my petty concerns so Destiny (in my understanding and experience of the concept) is not tied merely to my wishes and concerns. I am but a tiny part of a greater puzzle.

Concepts such as 'Just and Fair' are very human and don't necessarily fit in with a Universal balancing act that has to take place for every action and reaction. When a natural disaster occurs, which many may count as destined, who or what is it just and fair to?

When I journey in trance, I see that there is SO much going on behind the scenes of our mundane, visible lives, however I wish to believe or regard it, that to consider only my concerns to be taken into account is naive. IF what I come to realise about my talents, gifts, way of thinking, being etc falls into line with the best possible scenario for all other things, then yes, the Universe seems to open paths for those interactions to take place (hence if we don't know and are just open, things work better). When I fight against it, cower away and fail to see the larger flow of the river then it's just me who gets caught like a twig washed up against the rocks.

Is Destiny the river or the rock?

As far as the 'law of attraction' and manifesting things goes, well yes, everything starts with a thought but as the old saying goes "God helps those who help themselves" and it's not what you ask, plead for, dream about or visualise, but where you take that dream, how you read the signs along the way and DO what is necessary to bring that about. Athletes don't win gold medals by writing about it or giving lectures - they train hard and DO it.

Something as simple as asking for the overtime to earn a new car, supposing the overtime never comes and instead the firm closes down? Was that manifesting going wrong or do you now no longer need a new car? Was it destiny or a case of being shown a new turn in the river? How does 'fair and just' come into that and how was the law of attraction working there?

If things are always done with my best interests at heart, then I cannot possibly know what my best interests are. How is it possible to understand the brutal killing of a baby - what purpose does that serve to that soul? Did they agree to it before being born? None of us can faithfully answer these questions so for me, Destiny and Fate are simply deeper flows in the river where everything is heading in one direction. I can learn to see it work with it, even fight it if I want, I have free will but will it make any difference in such overwhelming odds?

Thanks for the post, also fascainting.

it was a reading i did, not me stating just my viewpoints, actually some of it contracdicted my viewpints at the time. But for what it is worth, my lifeview agrees with yours in that I don;t think only our views are taken into account. I believe in fact that Destiny is only in play about 5-10 % of the time. The question I asked was about how destiny works, what sets it in motion. But I personally beleive that most things are not destinted to happen.

Also if the process works as in my reading. It is not just us of course, that wouod mean that every huiman being could set certain things into motion, into their destiny. Not purpisly, it is not us who decides that I don't think. But when you have millions and billions of people with all kinds of wishes, something complex is happening.

I don't think the reading said that every single time you have a deep wish it will come to pass or become your destiny,. Just that when something does manage to become destiny, that that is how it starts.

As for just and fair, that was not my idea. LOL The Justice card came up and those are my meanings for it. My life view would tell me that life is not random thoygh and that the unvierse does have a sense of fairness. Yes, that may not be the same was what seems fair in human terms. The reading did not specify whcih, but it could well have meant on a universal scale.

Anyway, it was just a reading, not my personal views, but it did make me stop and it taught me some things. I did not even believe in the Law of Attraction when I did the reading, but it did say someting related to that to me.

And Wow, journeying in trance! That too is totally fascinating. Loved hearing about that.

Babs

 

[celticnoodle]

Oh this is fascinating : )

I believe that our thoughts CAN become our reality. One thing I've noticed is that if you really want something....the more open you are about how it comes about the better. Meaning don't try to plan all the little details. Things can and do come in unexpected ways. Keep an open mind and the universe will start sending you signs to bring you closer to what you desire.

Oh I'm also a believer that our destiny isn't set in stone.

interesting thread, Sun Chariot!

I do also agree with DownwardSpiral that our thoughts can become our reality. Perhaps that is why prayer works sometimes. I realize that not every prayer is going to be answered the way we want it to each and every time we do pray for something, but I think it can help. Prayer also can be a thought--it doesn't have to be recited phrases that we do over and over again.

 

[Milfoil]

As for just and fair, that was not my idea. LOL The Justice card came up and those are my meanings for it.

Ah, I would read the justice card as balance - so when our prayers or needs are in balance with the Universe, then they come to pass. Now it makes sense.

 

[DownwardSpiral]

This is a very interesting question and from a "how does My particular understanding of life work" viewpoint, the answers may make sense but the Universe is much bigger than Me and my petty concerns so Destiny (in my understanding and experience of the concept) is not tied merely to my wishes and concerns. I am but a tiny part of a greater puzzle.

In reading this I can't help but think we are all a part of the Universe and as our wishes and concerns change.....the puzzle changes.

As far as the 'law of attraction' and manifesting things goes, well yes, everything starts with a thought but as the old saying goes "God helps those who help themselves" and it's not what you ask, plead for, dream about or visualise, but where you take that dream, how you read the signs along the way and DO what is necessary to bring that about. Athletes don't win gold medals by writing about it or giving lectures - they train hard and DO it.

I totally agree with this. Unless someone is trying to manifest something simple like a parking space.....they need to watch for the signs and do their part.

Something as simple as asking for the overtime to earn a new car, supposing the overtime never comes and instead the firm closes down? Was that manifesting going wrong or do you now no longer need a new car? Was it destiny or a case of being shown a new turn in the river? How does 'fair and just' come into that and how was the law of attraction working there?

These are good questions. My point with the example of asking for overtime was NOT to put limits on how something comes about. Ask for what you want and let the Universe work out the details. In this case I don't see it as manifesting going wrong. You still need the new car but if the job you currently work at can't provide the overtime (and you asked for overtime) the Universe may try to find you a job that can provide the overtime. Was it destiny? Possibly if there was a life lesson involved. Who knows. If we knew all the answers life would be so much easier. Was it a case of being shown a new turn in the river? I don't know. How was the law of attraction working there? The saying that comes to mind is be careful what you wish for. I don't have all the answers. I don't know.

I will say this about our thoughts becoming our reality......yesterday I had a conversation with my friend about someone I no longer talk to and had mentioned he had tried to call a few times but I didn't pick up. I want to say it's been about a month. So this morning this guy called me three times.....twice more during the day.....left a text message on my cell phone and an e-mail on my computer.....all today.

 

[SunChariot]

Ah, I would read the justice card as balance - so when our prayers or needs are in balance with the Universe, then they come to pass. Now it makes sense.

Only balance is not one of my meanings for Justice. I did not see it in the answer . And the powers that br that send us the answers knew that card does not have that meaning to me. My belief is that the cards speak to each of us differently. eg if I was meant to see balance I would have gotten a different card...which is why I started off by not saying which cards had come up.

Babs