Grasset Saint Sauveur deck (? 1820)

[Huck]

The full deck with 32 cards is available at
http://www.metmuseum.org/collection...='Costumes+des+Peuples+Étrangers'&rpp=60&pg=1

I once (2012) wrote ...

At ...

Journal général de la littérature de France, Volume 2
http://books.google.de/books?id=QwQ...Ag&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q= coq-héron&f=false

Nivose an. VII means Dec/Jan 1798/99

... we have a rather similar address with the addition "derrière la Poste aux Lettres".

And we have a name "Grasset St.-Sauveur", which should be this author: Jacques Grasset de Saint-Sauveur ...

An announcement of December 1798 / January 1799.

The page of an auction ...
http://www.dsloan.com/Auctions/A22/item-pacifica-grasset.html
... has better information to a part of the object.

The text is also found at Gallica:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1158445/f374.item

On one of the 5 Tableaux is presented this object:

I've placed a frame around one of the figures ...

http://tarotforum.net/showpost.php?p=4540263&postcount=342

... these pictures are given to the 32 card deck (given as of 1820) presented in the Metropolitan Museum.
The Amor picture was already used by Poilly for his Minchiate Francesi (c. 1660).

The Minchiate Francesi used people of 4 continents as court cards of the suits ...

... Grasset Saint-Sauveur had an comparable illustrative object already in 1784-88 with "Costumes Civils actuels de tous les Peuples connus."


Kwaw had recently reacted on the announcement of 1798/99:

That would be perhaps the inspiration for this:

quote:
Jeu divinatoire géographique : France, c. 1820, eau-forte et
pointillé, couleurs au pinceau, 52/52 cartes, 81 x 54 mm, ens.
fr. ; dos réseau d’étoiles bleues ; ch. carte offre un personnage
folklorique (identifi é par la lég. du bas), sauf les as, illustrés
d’allégories ; des sentences divinatoires et des chiffres plus ou
moins « cabalistiques » accompagnent les cartes, ainsi qu’une
carte normale miniature au portrait français ; les fi g. folkloriques
s’inspirent des planches des Tableaux des principaux peuples de
l’Europe, de l’Asie, de l’Afrique, de l’Amérique…, de jacques grassetst-
sauveur (Paris, an VI) ou d’un jeu éducatif intermédiaire. un
ex. auj au MFCj (Depaulis 1989, n° 103), n’a que 32 cartes mais
possède en plus une carte « blanche » « Consultation d’etteilla ».
Il est à peu près certain que le célèbre cartonomancien, mort
en 1791, n’est pour rien dans ce curieux jeu ethnographique
(cp. Keller 1981, Fra 192 et 193, tous deux en 32 c.). Quelques
rousseurs ici et là, mais très bon état général."
end quote

It came in both a 52 card and a 32 card version. There is a copy of the 32 card version at the Met.

("Geographic divination game: France, c. 1820 etching and dotted, color brush, 52/52 cards, 81 x 54 mm, ens. fr. ; back has a network of blue stars; c. a character card offers Folk figures (identified by the legend at bottom), except those that are illustrated allegories; with divinatory sentences and numbers more or less "cabalistic" accompanying the cards, and a miniature insert of standard french suits; figures of folk are inspired by the paintings of the main plates of peoples Europe, Asia, Africa, America ... by Jacques grassetst-savior (Paris, Year VI) or an intermediary educational game.


"There is another version (MFCj-Depaulis 1989 No. 103), but which only has 32 cards and additionally a "white" card with "Etteilla Consultation".

It is almost certain that the famous cartonomancien, death in 1791, has nothing to do with this curious ethnographic game (cp. Keller 1981 Fra 192 and 193, both made of 32 v.). A few foxing here and there, but very good condition.)

The above description is from a catalogue for an auction of the collection of Claude Giuard, November 2011. I just happened to be discussing it in relation to a posting by Mary Greer & Robert Place a few weeks ago in another group. The 'cabalistic numbers' referred too I think are more likely lottery numbers.

Here is the 32 card set at the Met:

http://www.metmuseum.org/collection...e/search?ft=+'Costumes+des+Peuples+Étrangers'

The 'Etteilla' card that came with the 32 pack is either not included or not on view with the 32 card pack at the Met.

I don't know, how much of the 32 figures of the deck were used in this source. Pictures of the 5 Tableaux are in the version of Gallica (link see above, black+white, the pictures appear at the end of the 5 articles).

An interesting detail at the above given link to an auction ...
http://www.dsloan.com/Auctions/A22/item-pacifica-grasset.html

[PACIFICA]. [COOK & LA PÉROUSE EXPEDITIONS]. GRASSET DE SAINT SAUVEUR, Jacques. Tableau des Découvertes du Cap.ne Cook, & de la Pérouse [left below neat line] J.G.St. Saveur Fecit [right, below neat line] Phelipeau [i.e., Phelippeaux] Sculp. [bottom, below text] Tous Contrafacteur sera poursuivi d’après la Loi, le dépot étant fait à la Bibliothèque Nationale. l’an 7 de la République Française. Par Jacques Grasset St. Saveur Ancien Vice Consul de France en Hongrie. | À Paris chez l’Auteur Rue Coqueron Mon. de France. Et à Bordeaux chez la Cne. St. Sauveur sous le peristile de la grande Comédie | Écrit par Malbesle. Paris, n.d. [ca. 1788-1789].

The author (? or the text of a used earlier announcement) gives the Bordeaux address "sous le peristile de la grande Comédie" directly to the "Cne. St. Sauveur".
I personally have speculated , that this address possibly belonged to the engraver L. F. Labrousse, who worked for Sauveur.

 

[Huck]

About the Justice in the deck of 1820 ("Justice in the clouds") I wrote earlier.

Observing Justice:

Petit Oracle, belonging to Grasset-St.Sauveur
Justice sitting on throne

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BM deck, Justice in the first row, 4th card
hypothetically given to Mme Finet (alternative also to Grasset St.Sauveur)
Justice sitting in cloud

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Deck of 1820, given to Grasset-St.Sauveur
Justice sitting in cloud

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Justice in Etteilla related decks
Justice sitting on throne

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Justice in divination deck c. 1790
standing with open eyes

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http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=IFN-8409718&I=21&M=chemindefer

Justice in Minchiate Francesi
standing with open eyes

The "Justice in the clouds" had appeared earlier in the Nouvel Eteila, as far we can see that.

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Victory, again in the clouds

Nouvel Etteilla

66-cards deck 1790, with one arm stretched in another direction

Moscow divination deck 1825

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Fortune

Nouvel Eteila

Petit Oracle des Dames, some variation

66 cards deck 1790

Moscow deck 1825

Minchiate Francesi (Poilly)
More pictures of this deck at:
http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=IFN-8409718&I=8&M=chemindefer
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[kwaw]

Justice in the Clouds - a closer view of the Finet & Geographic:

 

[kwaw]

And here is L'Amour:

 

[kwaw]

Victoire:

 

[kwaw]

Fortune:

 

[Huck]

Nice ...

would be good to see all pictures in this size.

 

[kwaw]

I have mentioned it before, but perhaps worth noting again. The piquet inserts on the Finet seem to be later addition (as I think is clear by the clumsiness of them on some of the cards). The cards produced/sold by Robert, from the same address, do not have the piquet inserts. A Robert version is at the BnF (unfortunately not available to view online), reference:

Type : image fixe, monographie
Titre(s) : Nouvel Eteila, ou le petit Nécromancien [Image fixe] : [jeu de cartes, estampe]
Publication : À Paris, // Chez Robert, rue l'Arbre-sec, n° 26. au 1er., [1820]
Description matérielle : 1 jeu de 36 cartes, 1 livret d'accompagnement, 1 étui : gravure en taille-douce coloriée aquarellée ; 7,3 x 4,9 cm

Note(s) : Coins carrés. - Dos tarotés à pois rose foncé sur fond rose uni
Référence(s) : Tarot, jeu et magie : exposition, Bibliothèque nationale, 1984 / catalogue par Thierry Depaulis, n° 133 = Depaulis, Tarot 1984, 133
Autre(s) forme(s) du titre :
- : Le Petit Oracle des Dames
Typologie : Carte à jouer

Notice n° : FRBNF33510428

And there is also:

Type : texte imprimé, monographie
Titre(s) : Nouvel Eteila ou le petit nécromancien... [Texte imprimé]
Publication : [S.l.n.d.]
Description matérielle : In-12, cartes en coul.
Sujet(s) : Cartes à Jouer, XIXe s.

Notice n° : FRBNF40353775

Localisation : Richelieu - Estampes et photographie - magasin de la Réserve
Salle :
Cote : RESERVE KH- 9 -4

 

[kwaw]

Finet & the 1790

 

[kwaw]

Finet & the 1790