in a reading, do we have a right to predict death, birth, etc?

[HOLMES]

in the other thread we saw a psychic predicted a person wouldnt' live past the mid 30s ,, and the client was ok with that. and before looking at that i must say that I am always shocked and saddened when i was going up by a teenage girl saying " i know i will die young,, so i will live wild " and i was like how do you know that ?.

it is true though that person can sense their own demise sometimes like waylon jennings sharing that one of the stars johnny horton said to him 2 weeks before he died that he knew he was going to die in a horrible car accident in waylon jennings biography. while others of us are happily unware (i think ) when a metorite comes out and hits us as we walk or that air conditioner falls out of the window eh ?.

i liked the commercial by the way for the candy bar possibly mars ? where he dies , asks to go back to finish his bar,, moves off the road where he was previously hit and then a big rock falls on him lol.
which brings up the other question there are 2 thoughts about death.
the first one is you that you have a choice at various stages of your life to exit your mortal existence..
and the other is when your time is up ,, your time is up so the fateful thinking is even if you were to avoid being murdered down in a alley you would still die of freak heart attack or something like that.

as a person,, I always avoided the question "when will i die " and for myself it was because i didnt' want to influence the person for what if they said 25 ?well crab i might as well prepare to end it,, and gave up on life.
so having the much possilbity of influencing a life has blocked me from looking at that possilbities.

that is one of the reasons i suppose that i focued when reading tarot cards to look at general life patterns instead of the future as set in stone aka that i was telling the future.
for looking at the recent superstar psychics,, when they are wrong
and that is my biggest fear to be honest to be totally wrong and worse yet to ruin a person live beyond repair.

but i also feel there are one or two rare psychic who are so developed in the predicting skill that they can predict life and death with good accuracy and it could be for them they are no attachement and no fear holding them back..
so for a person who is ready to hear things,, they would appreciate that gift of the gifted psychics.

is it possible as tarot readers (if there is any of you ) who like me refuse to do predictions we are holding back our gifts,, i know as a channel i held back from doing predicitions as well.
i think for myself it was because if i start end up being wrong in predictions that it may mean i was a bser all these years.

however for a reading to be true, i think if we are recieving messages of birth death, moving, it is our jobs as oracles to give what we recieve without colourings, and trying to say ,, well maybe not,, or lesseing up the message.

if we warn that a husband could be bad,, befor they marry and the woman doesnt' see that and he does turn out to be bad,, and perhaps our message may help her to see that rather then letting it go on longer.

that is something i been thinking ,, if we are channels, psychics, readers and trying to develop our gifts,, then perhaps it isnt' so much as the right to predict but the duty to predict in a good way what we recieve. ?

 

[poivre]

My little opinion,

I feel it's a personal journey of the reader.

I had a reading a couple years ago, where I told the reader to tell me whatever
they felt or saw in the cards. She predicted a death of a person close to me.
It has not happened, wondering if she got the timing wrong.

Went to a reading with a friend, this person was to be very good. She predicted
her mother-in-law would pass by that Christmas. The mother-in-law had to have
an operation. It's been two years pass the passing date.

My friend is a bit pissed about the reading because the reader was recommended
highly and she was concerned about her husband and his mother.

I've went through many emotions wondering "why" the reader said what she did to me?
Her mistake, wrong timing and maybe a lesson for me, in the big picture of it all.

The right to predict death, birth etc...
a personal journey for the reader...how else will you learn, if you don't try???
Try for the people who ask or want to know and others leave them be.

Thanks for the thread,
interesting topic!

 

[tarotbear]

I don't know if 'Do we have the right' is the exact sentiment you want to express. There is another thread somewhere where someone asked if reading the cards interferes with a person's karma. What we see in the cards is a privilage, not a right, IMHO.


Of course, with due respect, Holmes, I don't think you would have titled your thread "In a reading, do we have the BALLS to predict death, birth, etc? " which might be closer to the truth? I dunno - just extrapolating, here.

 

[HOLMES]

yeah

that is another facet of it,,

"are you brave enough to predict in your reading " besides is it a right, privilege, or as i say duty to report what you recieve.
for the underlying question, it is a matter of personal journey for many it is a rite of passage to ask,, what is it i am trying to do in a reading.

for me
it is a right of the reader to do predictions for it falls under duty if it is truly recieved and made up or personal opnion passed into it.
for myself i am endevouring to try to be brave enough to try predictions now and then..
i remember here i did a reading shortly after i first joined and i got a pm about 6 months later with an apology and notice of how accurate it was. at the time i thought i must be wrong but it is what i do get.
then out of the blue having it said to me,, now and then over my personal journey scared me for i was right now , but what if i was wrong and go off thinking i was right,,
and then the other question ,, where does this come from ?
it doesn't come from me per se so i must be some flash of insight from the creator so i asked myself who am i working with .
i guess it is one thing to believe in bigfoot but it is quite another thing to see him,, i havent' seen big foot but i would like to know to see if my belief is validated which is always special when it does.

 

[Padma]

I don't know if 'Do we have the right' is the exact sentiment you want to express. There is another thread somewhere where someone asked if reading the cards interferes with a person's karma. What we see in the cards is a privilage, not a right, IMHO.


Of course, with due respect, Holmes, I don't think you would have titled your thread "In a reading, do we have the BALLS to predict death, birth, etc? " which might be closer to the truth? I dunno - just extrapolating, here.

I am in Tarotbear's corner.

 

[HOLMES]

err

I am in Tarotbear's corner.

yes , but why are you in tarotbears corner,
what is it that you are agreeing with,, that in his opnion i should of named the thread differntly or something else ?

 

[PAMUYA]

Before all readings I ask if they really want to know the answers that the answers I am giving? I will not for tell of death unless it is asked about directly by the person themselves. We all are going to die, it is only a matter of when. The how and when can be changed if direction and circumstace has changed. We have the right to predict anything, but I thread lightly on all my readings. The power of suggestion always crosses my mind. We only see shadows of the future, these shadows can change.

In my mothers case, she prodicted that my fathers parents would die soon. She sent my father home to visit them. A week after he returned my grandfather died first, my grandmother two days later. Two open graves, just as my mother prodicted before sending my father off to visit. If she didn't tell my father, he would have never had the chance to see his parents.

I struggle with this very question, do we always tell what we see? I don't have the answer.

 

[Padma]

yes , but why are you in tarotbears corner,
what is it that you are agreeing with,, that in his opnion i should of named the thread differntly or something else ?

well...agreeing it is a privilege...and that you have to have the nuts to tell the truth.

(Sorry, I find tarotbear very humorous and he often makes me laugh ;p what can I say?)

Truth can be said in a kind and gentle way, if you feel the person is open to it, IMO. If you feel it would really hurt the person, then leave it alone, I suppose. You have to go with your instinct and with your gut, Holmes trust me, you will know when to stay silent, and when to speak the truth...

 

[Carla]

I don't do predictive readings because I lack the gift. My tarot is in the form of counsel for self-development and growth. But if I did have the gift, I would not use it. Because I believe that even if I could see a future, it would not be 'the' future.

The wisest do not tell all they know. Jesus didn't. Buddha didn't. And who among us is one of the wisest?

 

[Milfoil]

The wisest do not tell all they know. Jesus didn't. Buddha didn't. And who among us is one of the wisest?

I see what you are saying but think that this refers more to wisdom than a predictive reading. True wisdom comes from within so you can tell others till you are blue in the face and they may understand what you are saying but they won't actually 'get it' until they experience it themselves. Wise ones know this and so any discussion is rather irrelevant since if you don't know it, you cannot learn it from being told and if you do know it, there is no point telling you.

However, doing a reading for someone means (for me and my understanding) that you have asked a question that they want to know the answer to. It is then up to the reader to faithfully pass on what is shown (or do we consider ourselves censures of information given by the Universe?). If the client were not to know that information it would not have come up and if the reader doesn't have the balls to say what they see then what was the point of doing the reading? Personally I can't read in such a way as to give absolute and firm prediction since, like you say, everything is in flux and a reading can only give a general feel for the most likely outcome.