"May the Force be with you... always"

Zephyros

(I have to admit I don't subscribe to the prequels, so don't talk to me about midichlorians!!)

Well, it had to come up sometime, and I thought I would get the ball rolling on what people think, spiritually, of The Force, as seen in Star Wars. I have to admit I am a fanboy, and much of my spiritual thinking does indeed come from the Force . :) Taken further, I see parallels between it and forms of Buddhism, the Abrahamic religions (albeit even less anthropomorphized), and especially (although this may be because of a certain bias) Thelema. On the one hand, it could be seen as a movie idea that was dumbed down and diluted, especially since it is a religion with benefits. No waiting for the Messiah, you see the proof of your convictions (at least in a galaxy far, far away) immediately, by levitating the remote to the couch. On the other hand, I must say that the idea of a single unifying force is not new, but I do think Star Wars did present that idea in a new way.

It is interesting that, at least in popular culture, it is The Force that has become the de facto fictional religion to go to, although there have been others. Dune was very religious (or perhaps "spiritual" is the right word), as was LOTR and other fictional works. The Force, though, does give you something the Valar and the Orange Catholic Bible do not (apart from theme music); both a void one can fill with your own thoughts on how to attain "the Force" and also a connection to a greater form of existence, even if you don't work on it ("luminous beings are we, not this crude matter"), i.e., you are a part of something greater whether you are spiritual or not. It is only adepts who learn to "use" the force. In a way, lifting an X-wing with the Force is nothing, since you're not really lifting it, it's all swimming in a sea of Force anyway, as are you ("size matters not!").

Looking at the two polarities of the Force (Dark and Light sides) we can assume several things, while looking at them from completely different angles. Firstly, that there are no two sides, it is all the Force, it all unifies in the end (Kabbalistically, Chochma and Binah merging to become the potentialities of Keter). Secondly, it is doubtful how it actually works. We are used to New Age gurus telling us that peace and harmony are the way to enlightenment, but the Force can also be manifested by aggression and any strong feeling. That is, I admit, a question I have no answer to, how can two opposing sects come from and return to the same source, but in a radically different ways.

On the other hand, one might look at the sides in light of Zoroastrianism. Zoroaster stated that there were two "first causes) in the world; the wise mother and father and creator Ahura Mazda and the evil usurper, Angra Maynyu (sp?), a dragon who's sole purpose is to upend Ahura Mazda's creation. Like Christianity, Zoroastrianism holds that evil is not merely the absence of good, but a force in it's own name. I guess the Dark Side's closest counterpart, for me, could be the massive spider Ungoliant from the Silmarillion, who eats light, belches out darkness and requires constant feeding. She takes, but does not give back. In this way, the Dark Side is one who takes only for themselves, holding a massive amount of power and potential but it stifles since it stays in one place (the Sith think inward, only of themselves and attainment of greater power) and needs to flow in order to nourish and be nourished (think swamp water in a desert). A Jedi, on the other hand, directs the Force outward, toward others, thus "giving" them his Force (in a way).

Well, I'm beginning to get lost here, I'll add points later if I think of any. What do you think of The Force?
 

HOLMES

well

Last night when I was looking at the facebook I heard alec guiness version of obi wan saying that last night. of course i been playing the dark side of the star wars the old republic last night yet i been playing that game a lot the last couple of weeks as well.
there was some jedis who didnt' strictly adhere to the light or dark side..
and in the game you can rpg a dark jedi (not a sith) or a sith who keeps making the light decisions. you can rolepaly the dark solider,, or light imperial agent.

so the jedi code
"There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force. "

sith code
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

as you can see though,, obivously there is emotion, there is passion, there is chaos,, and there is the death as we know it here for weakness in the jedi code.
then in the sith code there is no real denial of things,,
example instead of saying there is no peace there is war.. they are simply accepting there is passion and that is their strength.
then again if that is true there doens't have to be hatred, anger but simply a passion of life. so there are some weakness in the sith code.

luke skywalker changed this in later books to this

"Jedi are the guardians of peace in the galaxy.
Jedi use their powers to defend and to protect.
Jedi respect all life, in any form.
Jedi serve others rather than ruling over them, for the good of the galaxy.
Jedi seek to improve themselves through knowledge and training."

of course a modern sith academy could change that to

sith are the rulers of the galaxy
they use the power for their own purposes
sith use all life in all forms
siths are served by others to their purpose is over, for the good of the sith
sith seeks to be free by war, and live.

of course we don't know how much of this came from george lucas mind over the years,, and the rest just came from authors who presented it to him and he okayed it.

I would put it out there to someone to try to take the original sith and jedi code and write a grey path for it..
 

Milfoil

'The Force' seems, by my understanding of the films (which were last seen a long time ago) seems to correspond in some ways to the Eastern ideas of Chi or Ki. The essential life force which flows through everything.

Can it be manipulated as it is in the films, it would be geat to think so and scary at the same time. Can you imagine gangs of thugs roaming the streets lifting little old ladies off their feet and leaving them hanging there, suspended in mid air while they steal their handbags . . .