After you have gone through all of the majors, are all of you going to go into the numerological aspects of the minors? Thanks.


DollChica, the question you ask I found a difficult one to answer, so I'm pleased that Diana has provided such a wonderful one.

I suppose that we could, as per the Major Arcana, discuss their varied depictions, and thus also include their possible implied (or preferred) meanings. On the other hand, I tend to agree that proper discussion belongs to the Using Tarot Cards section.

Having threads which discuss the meanings of pips unillustrated with scenes may focus discussion - though it should be remembered that even Waite and Colman-Smith used both historically available depictions (Sola-Busca) and commentaries (Papus).


There are any number of topics that might "belong" in a discussion of the historic pip and court cards. Some that occur to me are:
  • The importing of traditional decorations such as grace the 2 Deniers and 2 Coupes into the RWS and Thoth traditions;
  • The origins of the suit symbols;
  • Marseilles style pips (geometric designs with straight "bâtons" and curved épées) v. Spanish style pips (with individual bâtons and épées); is it significant?
  • The attitude and pose of the court card figures.
  • The showering whatevers on the Marseilles aces of bâtons and épées; do they really] mean anything? Then was it a mistake for RWS to add them to the ace of cups?
  • The historic sources of card readings. We know about half of the meanings given by Waite derive from Etteilla. Where did the others come from?
  • The meaning of the traditional names for the court cards beneath king and queen; specifically, the Italian fante does not strike me as a direct translation of the French valet. Which is original/authentic and which is innovation? Does it make a difference?
Forgive if the list strikes anyone as petty or academic. I don't profess to have answers, or even strong opinions, on any of these questions.