Stephen Hawking, atheism and faith

Farzon

The thing is that it is easy to prove or disprove something like gravity. NOT so easy to DISPROVE something like god or magic. So they seem to feel they must diss these things, because they cannot apply scientific methods to them.

Well said! The greatest challenge in life still seems to be to accept that there are things beyond your control and understanding. This includes accepting people with a different belief and opinion.

As I said, wer have a group of scientists in Austria who believe it's their mission to destroy everyone else's beliefs. I could never try to convince someonone of my beliefs with such a sacred fury like they have.
 

Morwenna

Many scientists are religious, and occasionally one finds something written by them, unfortunately not often enough. And atheism is OK provided the atheist in question isn't militant. It's those militant atheists that I call "anti-theists"; their attitude is the exact counterpart of that expressed by the religious fundamentalists. Their atheism is held with the same force as a religion, could they but see it.
 

Richard

I can't get worked up about other people's opinions about god and such. Hawking, Sagan, and Dawkins are just human beings. Their opinions about non-technical matters, such as religion or magic, carry no more weight than anyone else's opinions. At least they are not as aggressive as JW or LDS missionaries going from door to door, or evangelical Christians influencing school systems to modify their curricula so that Darwin's evolutionary discoveries can no longer be presented as fact.
 

ivanna

I can't get worked up about other people's opinions about god and such. Hawking, Sagan, and Dawkins are just human beings. Their opinions about non-technical matters, such as religion or magic, carry no more weight than anyone else's opinions.

Yes, but they have a good reputation, there are saw as an example, and if they say that I am less educated (or directly stupid) for studing tarot or esoterims, it will contribute to make even worst the reputation to those reading the cards or believing in magic.
They are rational, inteligent, with brilliant studies. His words are listened and took as a true by many. Im a poor woman selling balloons on a small city and wasting my time in tarot and magic because I am silly or less educated.
That makes me feel a bit angry.
But not so much, cause I believe in karma and soooo on.

:D
 

Richard

Yes, but they have a good reputation, there are saw as an example, and if they say that I am less educated (or directly stupid) for studing tarot or esoterims, it will contribute to make even worst the reputation to those reading the cards or believing in magic......
People tend to condemn that which they do not understand. Those who attribute esotericism and magic to ignorance and superstition are merely revealing their own ignorance of what magic is all about.

Atheism is another matter. It is obvious that belief in a god or goddess cannot be attributed to ignorance. For example, the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) are dedicated not only to the defense of the Church, but also to scholarship and education.

Fortunately or unfortunately it is the right of every individual (including scientists) to express their opinions. It is disturbing when they speak out against that of which they are ignorant (or have only a superficial knowledge of), but there is not much that we can do about it. It just has to be that way.
 

ravenest

Yes. There are so sure about their own knowledges that undervalue people not thinking/believing as they do. Maybe they lost their humility somewhere during their path.

Unlike you and me Ivanna... they rely on this stuff for their income and lifestyle. As does a priest.

If some one says there is no place in the UNIVERSE for God .... that sounds like the reverse of ; there is no place here for 'unbelievers' .... and we know how unpopular THAT IS at the moment!
 

ravenest

So sad, science has lost it's despite to know...

In Austria we had debates about the university in Vienna, where magical techniques and rituals of tribes in Africa were treated In lectures about ethnology.

The guy's from the strict sciences like physics and biology (anyone help me with the English term for those?) were trying to convince the public, the whole institution of humanistic and culture based sciences were full of witchcraft and superstition.

I have no respect for scientist of this kind. They're shielding themselves with the air of objectivity, while In fact using science foyer their own personal agenda.

Its the 'hard sciences' Vs the 'soft' sciences.
 

ravenest

Hi CN!!
I didn't thought you were disrespecting my. :D
LOL I know that my expressions skill in english sometimes are very bad and I was worried to meant that Hawkin was the one paraphrasing Sagan.
I don't have this english level which allow you to add nuances with the expressions you use and sometimes I fear to be missunderstood.

I dont speak Spanish , I understand you, I like the way you express yourself :)
 

2dogs

I think fundamentalist Christianity's six day creation story is to blame for scientific atheism, it drove me to study science all the way up to a physics degree in an attempt to find a better answer and if I'd become as engrossed in it as Hawking would certainly have no time left to consider anything else. The discussions on other non-spiritual forums I've seen tend to be a fight between these two extremes as if they were the only possibilities, and any other points of view are simply ignored by both sides. However, I am scientific enough to eventually take notice of ridiculous coincidences if they appear often enough. Possibly you could make the case for Hawking being over educated but in a narrow way, being so knowledgable in his specialised field of the physical structure of the universe as to feel he knows everything.