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Indeed I do!Rosanne said:I am thinking that maybe these 22 Cards are a celestial map cut up into individual pieces.
(snip)What I am trying to say is that Le Bateleur is a composite of that part of the Sky, indicated by the Behenian star Aldebaran/Ruby/Milk Thistle. Aid to memory for magical purposes. If you get my drift~Rosanne
In fact what you're describing is something that Rodes and Sanchez do in great detail in their book, Libro de Fuego (Spanish book, but incredibly easy read even for non-native speakers). They literally map the TdM as sections of the fixed stars, going so far as to overlay the TdM images with the relevant constellations. I don't always agree with their reasoning, but it's intriguing nonetheless. Ditto with Daana MIndon's linked articles, which argue the case for a literal star map as the basis of the Trumps.
Melanchollic, thank you for sending me back to my Agrippa. Ironaically, I spent some time this afternoon reviewing the planetary images and the talismanic images in it, so your point resonates deeply. The Spica/Empress association may be simply too literal and too Levi influenced... it's just that in the night sky Corvus is on her right (like the eagle on the shield) and Crater on her left like the cup on the card. Logic based on constellations more than fixed stars.
Rosanne, I dug around in your planet thread to which Kwaw contributed so richly, and I wonder how some of those ideas apply here. What seven trumps would be assigned to the wanderers? Is it Rosanne's throned figures? I can't quite reconcile the idea of wandering movement to the thrones, but it is a designator that distinguishes a subset of 7 cards. And I can grok the post-Picatrix, post-Ficino idea of enthroning them. Was that a way of "fixing" stars that wielded greater power and were not intrinsically fixed?
What interests me, with regard to the Behenian Fixed Stars, is the idea that while constellations may be "grouped" as a kind of segmented map across card images... in fact the planets wander. So how do we deal with the 15 Behenians vs. the 7 planets to arrive at the 22 (or 21 +1 for that matter)? If details from constellations are on display in the trumps, then how are the Behenians and Planets to be distributed? And can it be both?... images that reference constellations that simultaneously reference these individual celestial bodies.
Very interested to see in what directions this can be taken.
