Horary Readings Round 7 - Questions

[NamasteIndia]

Hi Minderwiz,

How are you, hope you are doing fine??

Its been a long time we interacted.

Can you please do a reading for me about where my relationship with Dr.A.U
where it will go, what do i need to know about this person, i guess you can draw horary based on a single question right so you can take up the first question?

thanks in advance

namaste

 

[Ronia]

The seventh is literally 'Not-Me' being the opposite to the first (Me). That means that it includes everyone else in the world unless they fall into one of the other houses - the obvious ones being fourth (father, parents, extended family), third (siblings and neighbours), fifth (children and romantic attachments) and eleventh (friends). It's of course also possible to identify specific relatives using derived houses.

So Tom, Dick or Harriet are all seventh house people, unless you specify a relationship to them. However 'any old person' is also seventh house, as it's all inclusive.

As it's the house of 'Not Me' it can be used to deal with how I interact with someone else, either through a contest (the seventh is my enemy) or through working or living together in a partnership (so the seventh covers my business partner, the other members of the band I play in, or my wife). Many of these relationships involve legal matters- my 'enemy' might be suing me in court, my business partner and I have a partnership agreement, and my wife and I have entered into a legal marriage.

However the legal process is the conclusion of the relationship, not the beginning. So I can't get married till I've found someone I want to marry (and who wants to marry me). Indeed I can 'marry' in Common Law simply by co-habiting. That would still be a partnership.

You're right to see a difference between 'Will I marry Tom?' and 'Will I marry next year?' but I think it's a difference in terms of how you interpret the same significators of Lords 1, 7 and Moon. If the question is 'Will I marry Tom?' it's likely that the two people know each other, which makes marriage potentially more likely than if the quesited is 'somebody/anybody'. If the person asked about is my fiancee then it's very likely we will marry unless something awful happens. In the latter case Frawley would answer 'Yes' unless there's clear indications that the answer will be no. If the couple are not engaged then he would seek clear evidence that they will marry, i.e. a positive indication in the chart. Personally I go along with that, plus if it's a 'somebody/anybody' question, then I'd want to see very strong indication of a 'Yes' answer before telling them that they will.

Personally I'd rather be wrong because I said 'No' but they did in fact marry, than to say 'Yes' and build up their hopes on a chart which might only give mild positive indications.

Thanks, Minderwiz, I get it. Something is bothering me though. LOL ... I also try to fit the horary into our much more fast moving world. In fact, I'm surrounded by people who married really quickly, thus if they had asked me last year they wouldn't have even been in a relationship or "knowing each other". Not to mention that in today's world engagement is very often a completely missinf stage, so "fiance' is under question. I have this issue with cards too. These things that were created at times when life was so much slower and many people spent their entire life in their village where they knew 50 people are hardly comparable to what's going on now. As I think, one can meet someone online right now and easily get into something... I don't know, I wish I had a recipe for this but I don't, I'm just wondering how astrology could meet the changing environment. I remember we also discussed this in the Hellenistic thread in terms of medicine. We talked how the statements of ancient astrology do not fit modern medicine, thus quite a few need to be reconsidered at least.

Also, what if the person is thinking of marrying not for love but for, say, documents, money or else? There will be no relationship actually. The astrologer may not know as it's the querent to decide if to share the true reason. Only the legal act remains in this case... Business. What if it's a 10th house thing, change of status? Just thinking here as in our time all these are existing possibilities and they happen.

P.S. Last year I did a chart answering same question "will I marry next year" for a friend of mine, nearly 50-year old bachelor in search of the perfect woman about whom I'd swear he would never marry and the chart was clearly negative. I remember there was absolutely no clue about marriage, no aspect, no reception, the Moon was not making aspects, no light transition, I'm sure I couldn't have missed something big! Yet, he is about to marry right after the holidays but still this year. And it all happened in three months. I'm startled.

 

[Minderwiz]

Thanks, Minderwiz, I get it. Something is bothering me though. LOL ... I also try to fit the horary into our much more fast moving world. In fact, I'm surrounded by people who married really quickly, thus if they had asked me last year they wouldn't have even been in a relationship or "knowing each other". Not to mention that in today's world engagement is very often a completely missinf stage, so "fiance' is under question. I have this issue with cards too. These things that were created at times when life was so much slower and many people spent their entire life in their village where they knew 50 people are hardly comparable to what's going on now. As I think, one can meet someone online right now and easily get into something... I don't know, I wish I had a recipe for this but I don't, I'm just wondering how astrology could meet the changing environment. I remember we also discussed this in the Hellenistic thread in terms of medicine. We talked how the statements of ancient astrology do not fit modern medicine, thus quite a few need to be reconsidered at least.

Also, what if the person is thinking of marrying not for love but for, say, documents, money or else? There will be no relationship actually. The astrologer may not know as it's the querent to decide if to share the true reason. Only the legal act remains in this case... Business. What if it's a 10th house thing, change of status? Just thinking here as in our time all these are existing possibilities and they happen.

P.S. Last year I did a chart answering same question "will I marry next year" for a friend of mine, nearly 50-year old bachelor in search of the perfect woman about whom I'd swear he would never marry and the chart was clearly negative. I remember there was absolutely no clue about marriage, no aspect, no reception, the Moon was not making aspects, no light transition, I'm sure I couldn't have missed something big! Yet, he is about to marry right after the holidays but still this year. And it all happened in three months. I'm startled.

Yes the issue of 'serendipity' is a real one, which I know from personal experience, going from being in no relationship and immediate prospect of one to being engaged and virtually living together in 10 days (and still married and living together 37 years later). I'm not sure how common that is but I suspect that those 'happy accidents' are relatively rare. Nevertheless, the chance exists and the horary astrologer (or for that matter the card reader) may well be wrong. We're back to that issue of Fate and Free Will again. I don't think a horary answer for a future event means that the answer is cast in stone and is unchangeable. It just suggests the most likely outcome - and from a strong chart the probabilities are high. That still leaves a chance for God to work his magic LOL. One of the reasons that I like John Frawley's book is that he explicitly states that it's alright to be wrong - providing that you re-examine the chart and indeed learn from the experience. Life is to an extent 'chaotic'.

I don't think it's an issue of the pace of life, it's an issue of opportunity to meet potential partners, or for parents/guardians to arrange with other families. There are many lonely single people today, who would argue that their chances of meeting someone are relatively small and the frequency with which this question comes up, either for horary astrologers or for card readers is testament to there being a strong view that a likely mate will not happen along any minute now.

As far as Horary Astrology goes, I don't think it makes any difference whether the persons marry for love, or money or family alliances, or to gain citizenship, etc. Indeed when horary was developed the love match was relatively exceptional amongst the clients of Astrologers. Even a mutual reception in the chart may not be proof of love but simply that both parties are keen on getting married to each other.

 

[Minderwiz]

Hi Minderwiz,

How are you, hope you are doing fine??

Its been a long time we interacted.

Can you please do a reading for me about my relationship with Dr.A.U
where it will go?

thanks in advance

namaste

OK. From the phraseology of the question it seems that you already have a relationship of some kind with Dr. A. U. but want to know more about it's nature. Can you supply a little background on what you think/hope the situation is.

 

[Minderwiz]

Reading for Phoenix11

The Moon is Void of Course, so the reading will be tomorrow

 

[Ethereal]

hello again!

questions pertaining the books i am thinking of writing

1. how would book 1 do (romance novel/based on parts of my life) in terms of success and income for me?

2. how would book 2 do (life/based on my life in parts) in terms of success and income for me?

3. what course of action would most help me regarding my life in genereal now? (action in regards to family issues, job issues, relocation, love?) whatever you pick up on in general

4. why am i continually hitting roadblocks in my life as of lately?

i sent you a pm.

thanks, minderwiz!

 

[Ronia]

Yes the issue of 'serendipity' is a real one, which I know from personal experience, going from being in no relationship and immediate prospect of one to being engaged and virtually living together in 10 days (and still married and living together 37 years later). I'm not sure how common that is but I suspect that those 'happy accidents' are relatively rare. Nevertheless, the chance exists and the horary astrologer (or for that matter the card reader) may well be wrong. We're back to that issue of Fate and Free Will again. I don't think a horary answer for a future event means that the answer is cast in stone and is unchangeable. It just suggests the most likely outcome - and from a strong chart the probabilities are high. That still leaves a chance for God to work his magic LOL. One of the reasons that I like John Frawley's book is that he explicitly states that it's alright to be wrong - providing that you re-examine the chart and indeed learn from the experience. Life is to an extent 'chaotic'.

I don't think it's an issue of the pace of life, it's an issue of opportunity to meet potential partners, or for parents/guardians to arrange with other families. There are many lonely single people today, who would argue that their chances of meeting someone are relatively small and the frequency with which this question comes up, either for horary astrologers or for card readers is testament to there being a strong view that a likely mate will not happen along any minute now.

As far as Horary Astrology goes, I don't think it makes any difference whether the persons marry for love, or money or family alliances, or to gain citizenship, etc. Indeed when horary was developed the love match was relatively exceptional amongst the clients of Astrologers. Even a mutual reception in the chart may not be proof of love but simply that both parties are keen on getting married to each other.

Ok, I think I may start keeping an eye on the 5th as if there is romance and courting and all package, it should be 5th house... I think. Thanks, Minderwiz.

 

[NamasteIndia]

OK. From the phraseology of the question it seems that you already have a relationship of some kind with Dr. A. U. but want to know more about it's nature. Can you supply a little background on what you think/hope the situation is.

he is my doctor but he flirts with me...when i ask for appt. he sends me poetry.
he is a good doctor very competent but im kind of fed up with his antics..
i want to know his real intentions......why is he doing such thing

 

[Minderwiz]

he is my doctor but he flirts with me...when i ask for appt. he sends me poetry.
he is a good doctor very competent but im kind of fed up with his antics..
i want to know his real intentions......why is he doing such thing

Thanks, that's perfectly clear and I'll get on with the reading

 

[SA12]

Hello again! I responded to your PM -- was I supposed to post in this thread too?