Tarot Beginners guide with Q/AS

[EarthAngel2911]

You know what I do find interesting is the use of the Osho Zen deck by people who are more interested in "giving readings" than actually learning to read tarot cards.

In my little local area it's incredibly hard to find an actual Tarot Reader. You find a lot of people who "use the cards to trigger their intuition" (in their own words) without actually following any kind of actual tarot structure. To me, that's not a tarot reading, that's a "psychic"reading using cards as a crutch rather than a tool.

Which is why, after years of searching for local tarot teachers or like-minded tarot lovers, I end up back here on Aeclectic. Anyone who finds tarot meet-ups or actual tarot teachers in their own local areas are so fortunate!

 

[headincloud]

It was suggested if your reading it intuitively that you should avoid reading your self when you start of. There are lots of people out there who find it difficult to read them self, or close family members because of emotional attachment/fear. But it also depends on the question, like if your asking how will my day go? I guess that works lol.

It doesn't mean you never read your self. One should practice everything, and new ways.. you never know what way ull learn fast.

If your reading it purely based on the book and your imagination your own personal feelings, then it doesn't really matter. It gets tricky if your trying to use your clairs in a tarot reading. And a beginner may find it difficult. Some do, some don't. I know many experienced people do, so I don't see why a beginner wont find it a little difficult especially IF they are trying to develop their clairs.

I personally read my self, well not read my self.. its more like you already know what to expect, so you don't actually have to take out cards to read. But then again I am a purely intuitive reader and not dependent on tools.[/QUOTE]

I hear what you're saying with regards bias and fear on self reading but learning to see ourselves clearly and objectively and being able to detach from those emotions is part of the learning process of becoming a reader. IMHO as tarot readers we develop our all round psychic ability and most importantly our self-awareness because spiritual gifts are granted as a result of owning and being in control of our shadow side, as we learn self-knowledge we progress towards being able to read without the cards which to me is the objective of tarot.

If you feel you've developed to the stage where you no longer need the promptings of cards and tools then good for you but the fact you stated you don't need to take the cards out because you already know what to expect seems to suggest delusion because your shadow (of which our ego is a part) is causing you all sorts of problems and the very last thing that comes across is enlightenment which is bound to cause doubt in people's minds over your abilities. We're all capable of self-delusion I'm an expert for one so that's not intended as criticism, rather it's advice that you're setting yourself up for a fall.

I understand the defensive approach you've been forced to adopt, we hold dear the need to see ourselves as we wish to project but this isn't what others see because we are the only one's blind to our own shadow, it's always behind us and when we turn it's gone but this is because we're looking 'from ourselves' rather than 'at ourselves' others see the whole picture. My suggestion would be start reading for yourself and get some insight into you self beliefs because someone once said to me the biggest fool of all is one who thinks he has nothing to learn, best of luck sweetheart

 

[ravenest]

You have a thing for assuming things. If your suggesting I am scamming people. lol if my background isfully checked, with every little history detail, you might be surprised how much psychic experience I am keeping in my pocket.

Okay, how do we do that ... how does one check your background 'with every little history detail' ? And if we cant check every little history detail of your background, why did you mention it in the first place ... so please supply information on finding out about every little detail of your background .

The guide wasn't about how to make it better or what's missing in it.

Then why did you ask for feedback, accept the feedback and make changes in your guide ?

If you use 'Google' for your education, then naturally you wouldn't know about the advanced techniques that are being used by the top Psychic/mediums in todays time, and in the top psychic training schools.

What are these 'top psychic training schools' - please provide a name or details .... otherwise some might just think you are making things up !

 

[Abbas A Shah]

=ravenest;4151115]Okay, how do we do that ... how does one check your background 'with every little history detail' ? And if we cant check every little history detail of your background, why did you mention it in the first place ... so please supply information on finding out about every little detail of your background .

Feel free to PM/Call me, if you really feel the need to know more, I would be more than happy to share that with anyone. its something I do that anyway if people ask when they are about to get a reading or to train their abilities.

Then why did you ask for feedback, accept the feedback and make changes in your guide ?

Feedback was about, if they try what was mentioned in the guide, and about their experience, so we could discuss that. Not exactly to complicate things! And if you haven't noticed plenty of changes have been made already. Perhaps you should check first before commenting.

What are these 'top psychic training schools' - please provide a name or details .... otherwise some might just think you are making things up !

I heard these days, researching is very easy. Its not that hard to find. Try that first, if you have a hard time. I would be happy to share it with you. Also, kindly post something that is relevant to the first post, which was the guide. That would be much better.

Thanks!

 

[gregory]

The OP does have a website.

On which I note he has feedback saying that

he gives me the right advice and tells me what actions I should take.

I find that very worrying. I don't think a reader - psychic or otherwise - should be telling anyone what actions to take.

I'm not too impressed by his bio, actually. Sorry, Abbas, but - not for me, thanks. And by the way - you are not a clairsentience - the noun you need there is clairsentient. Just FYI. Clairsentience is the power a true clairsentient HAS.

Language is my Big Thing. In fact I would be happy to correct many other such grammatical whoopsies for you, if you'd like. However little I like the site, I WOULD rather the grammar was correct...

 

[Abbas A Shah]

Your so right. It happens quite a lot. Quite a lot of them just start doing things more intuitively. I know a few people who started with tarots, but they barely use the cards now all they do is pick up a card look and move on. lol

I think tarot cards have their own beauty. It is what attracts so many people towards it. So its nice to keep that essence

You know what I do find interesting is the use of the Osho Zen deck by people who are more interested in "giving readings" than actually learning to read tarot cards.

In my little local area it's incredibly hard to find an actual Tarot Reader. You find a lot of people who "use the cards to trigger their intuition" (in their own words) without actually following any kind of actual tarot structure. To me, that's not a tarot reading, that's a "psychic"reading using cards as a crutch rather than a tool.

Which is why, after years of searching for local tarot teachers or like-minded tarot lovers, I end up back here on Aeclectic. Anyone who finds tarot meet-ups or actual tarot teachers in their own local areas are so fortunate!

 

[Abbas A Shah]

I hear what you're saying with regards bias and fear on self reading but learning to see ourselves clearly and objectively and being able to detach from those emotions is part of the learning process of becoming a reader. IMHO as tarot readers we develop our all round psychic ability and most importantly our self-awareness because spiritual gifts are granted as a result of owning and being in control of our shadow side, as we learn self-knowledge we progress towards being able to read without the cards which to me is the objective of tarot.

If you feel you've developed to the stage where you no longer need the promptings of cards and tools then good for you but the fact you stated you don't need to take the cards out because you already know what to expect seems to suggest delusion because your shadow (of which our ego is a part) is causing you all sorts of problems and the very last thing that comes across is enlightenment which is bound to cause doubt in people's minds over your abilities. We're all capable of self-delusion I'm an expert for one so that's not intended as criticism, rather it's advice that you're setting yourself up for a fall.

I understand the defensive approach you've been forced to adopt, we hold dear the need to see ourselves as we wish to project but this isn't what others see because we are the only one's blind to our own shadow, it's always behind us and when we turn it's gone but this is because we're looking 'from ourselves' rather than 'at ourselves' others see the whole picture. My suggestion would be start reading for yourself and get some insight into you self beliefs because someone once said to me the biggest fool of all is one who thinks he has nothing to learn, best of luck sweetheart

Thank you for your input.

 

[gregory]

I don't see how this post is any relevant to the actual first post which was the guide, I consider this to be trolling. Either post something relevant. Or your posts will be ignored.
Ty

My post was made in response to someone who asked about your background - as much of it is laid out there.

But I genuinely thought you might like to have correct grammar on your site - my offer of proofreading for you was genuine.

And I still feel VERY strongly that no reader of any kind should tell someone what to do. That is very relevant as your thread is titled as a guide for beginning readers - and that is one thing I would advise ANY reader against doing. It is NOT our place to tell people what to do.

 

[nisaba]

Look, Abbas, you seem to be slightly combative to people who ARE teachers and ARE valued and respected members of the worldwide Tarot community. It really is just sad watching you. As I said, you may well be a half-decent reader and teacher, but by being so self-aggrandising and hostile to others, that is never going to be apparent to others.

If you are really here to teach those who are less gifted than you, here's the way to do it: read all of the threads in "Using Tarot Cards" and "Talking Tarot". In those two areas, when someone has a question they are struggling with and you have some knowledge and information to offer, then reply to them on the thread. Join conversations and spread your wisdom that way.

If you don't, we'll simply have our feelings confirmed that you are all flash showmanship and a desire to lead people to spend money, rather than actually seriously interested in teaching.

Try it. You'll find it profoundly satisfying to spread your wisdom and knowledge that way.

 

[Zephyros]

If I may, I think this person is getting a bit of a hard time here. I don't agree with the guide, and dislike much of the supposed authority it purports to convey, but for the most part it isn't that different from many other beginners' guides, many of which I don't agree with either.

Personally I think the intuitive approach to Tarot both exploded and over-saturated as well as being overrated. But that's my opinion which I express often here and I know I'm in the minority. Heck, I don't even differentiate between psychic readings and the intuitive variety, I don't believe either actually exist. But then, I do consult authority figures, occultists who made it their business to study Tarot from every angle, both theoretically and practically. But people don't accept those figures as authorities either, so who's to say whether Aleister Crowley is the "true" authority or the OP? I certainly know my answer to that question, but care must be taken to address substance rather than style (which, to be fair, I can understand why the style rubs people the wrong way). The substance, for the most part, is run of the mill New Age Tarot.