how do you approach reading about public figures/events?

[HOLMES]

first of all let me share about watching the crown on Netflix,, princess margeret couldn't marry her lover at the time due to he was divorced already and it was an big theme through out the series..
and I remember how those media hounds caused princess di death
and what has been in the eye of the public is cyber bullying, and how media pressure can be keenly felt.

I remember how we as tarot readers followed the micheal Jackson case, and the sniper in the city case. some of us were reading on that if I recall.

now let me be closed minded, perhaps snobby and say at the time I didn't find much value in doing reading about public events and people for at the time I thought it was disrespectful, intrusive etc.
and in the case of the sniper I was like at the time, "what use is it, we are not going to submit to the authorities "
well actually I dont' actually remember much, I just know is I didn't embrace it so I was trying to put myself into the mindset of where I could of been.

libel
a published false statement that is damaging to a person's reputation; a written defamation.
is a something I remember in the old tarot chat room at the time being discussed.

hmm
so why am I bringing this up now ?
well on twitter I have 140ish followers (what for I don't know )
but I was thinking of doing some quick one card advice for my favourite celebrity
stuff along the lines of "the movie role x should be looking for is ,, "
and some how keep it playful and light.

I was thinking of just doing a one card but what do I say if "oh my , ellen got the death card,,she better watch out from falling ladders "
if I get the death card.
so I was wondering does anyone here do that on their twitter/blog (beats me what else is out there )

I am not referring to your readings which is intended for you to share and learn by sharing.
but more of just sharing out there for people to read.

 

[euripides]

well, my general feeling is, that if you believe the cards are giving you a genuine insight into someone's life, then you ought not to be reading and publishing without their permission. While the paparazzi might go to town, you're a human being with ethical values, which implies that you respect their privacy, regardless of celebrityship.

 

[nisaba]

well, my general feeling is, that if you believe the cards are giving you a genuine insight into someone's life, then you ought not to be reading and publishing without their permission. While the paparazzi might go to town, you're a human being with ethical values, which implies that you respect their privacy, regardless of celebrityship.

Yes, this.

It doesn't matter whether I'm the leader of a country, a movie star, a racing car driver or a private citizen: I have a right to privacy. It's bad enough that there are other professions who make their livings by trampling all over the rights of strangers: why should readers do it too? Are we that disrespectful as a group?

 

[blueeyetea]

I don't see what the problem is, to be honest. It's for entertainment purposes. They can't sue for libel, because it's a prediction not a verified fact. At its' most basic, it's a guess based on information available to everyone, albeit revealed via a tarot card. The only way to verify if the prediction was true would be when the event became public knowledge. And what are going to do then, deny it? Before that, I doubt a celebrity would breach their own privacy by confirming or denying a prediction on made on their behalf.


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[nisaba]

I don't see what the problem is, to be honest.

The problem is not a problem for you, it's a problem for them.

Would you be okay with someone training their telescope on your bedroom window simply to make sure the telescope works? Or installing bugging equipment in your house simply to see if it records their conversations clearly enough? Or someone you don't know doing a Tarot reading about you for their own "entertainment purposes"?

That.

 

[CrystalSeas]

Reminds me of getting a new camera with a good telephoto lens and walking around the neighborhood seeing how good you are a photographing people inside their houses. Just learning to use my new lens, just for my own entertainment.

It may not be illegal but it sure isn't nice.

 

[HOLMES]

i have read both sides

well we got one member playing devils advocate !

after much thought on this subject, I first want to point out that tarot is of course not the only divination out that could deal with the public.
the example I am making is there is tons of birth charts on celebrities out there ,,
and some numerology profiles .
I know one or two of my books has astrology profile, and numerology profiles of famous people in it.
not saying they are wrong or right, but I am pointing out that we are not the first to look at this.

that being said , looking at the twitter under tarot , I saw only prediction for a general event. the rest were cards of the day.

so in the end we just have to come to what we personally believe, aka it becomes for me that is,, a case of readers deciding to use reversals, or not.

so I am in the middle of yes it is ok to do reading of public celebrities but also not ok and how is that ? it is because as long as it is being done tastefully, for entertainment value of the star (if they saw it,, and their fans).

I should point I asked a public figure name of poker if I could do a reading for him, and I was emotionally crushed when he said "no because of my Christian beliefs". so I had to respect his belief.

and let us not forget a member of the buffy tv universe , blocked the buff tarot that I think racheal Pollack worked on for they had beliefs about being used on the card.

it may sound like I am burying myself, then again, the celebrity Victoria justice just posted an aura picture on Instagram 2 days ago, and so I posted my insight on it. I doubt she will ever see it though for she has so many followers.

and so my take on doing tarot readings on public figures is one use them for the general past , like how one uses the natal charts, numerology charts to why they became stars.
it wouldn't be ok just to just ask "how is good old miley relationship going "
see what I am saying there ?

I saw on the enquirer , prince Charles coups the queen,pince harry banned from country. I was like yeah right, and said to the casher "that is just crazy , if he was going to do that,, he would of did it long ago,, perhaps he has demential if that is true for he is getting up there "
so like avoiding that,, or the famous said celebrity has 3 months to live.

now for the points raised.

for the camera metaphor,,when I got my new camera I didn't go around filming people in their houses, but in my little reserve at the public gatherings I took pictures of us at the family gathering, and when the kids came to me for treats at Halloween I took little ones pictures with their parents permission of course.

so If I relate that to the tarot, for public gatherings that would be for me, how is their roles in the movie going to be. for personal readings (aka personal camera) I would have to ask their permission.

so by that reasoning I just made, in practice, I would go to my favourite celebrities and ask if I can draw a card for them. I wouldn't expect an answer from all but once eventually and so I wouldn't post it a reading for them without their permission except for the case mention above , "how is rey character going to do in star wars 8".

as for somone doing a tarot reading about me without my permission, if it dealt with my public part , like how good of a tarot reader is he,, can I relate to it sure. !! if it was , is he a future serial killer, (sure hope not eheh ) then no.

one of my favourite moments of the crown on Netflix is the queen and husband are having a lovers quarrel,, and the media people are outside filmining and caught it,, she goes and ask for it back, and they give it back.
(course if prince Philip was giving her a beating, and she went and ask for it back then it wouldn't be my favourite part but like be made at cover up )

but then as tarot readers I don't think anyone would be interested in asking if kate middleton marriage is going good.
but I dont' mind asking, how prince Charles reighn will go when he becomes king.
so for me it is a matter of the question, and respect shown to the celebrities.
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I think part of this for me was inspired of my dream when I was 16 of being a tarot reader to the stars,, using that to meet the celebrities.
so perhaps hoped one good word of mouth from a star to her friends would open the door. but not really sure how I would go about it.
and so perhaps I started this as self doubt for I know here are some lines I can't personally cross as a person.

 

[euripides]

well we got one member playing devils advocate !


but then as tarot readers I don't think anyone would be interested in asking if kate middleton marriage is going good.
but I dont' mind asking, how prince Charles reighn will go when he becomes king.
so for me it is a matter of the question, and respect shown to the celebrities.
.... I know here are some lines I can't personally cross as a person.

So this is key. If you think that Tarot can show you something real about a person, then you have zero right to use it to ask about their private lives. Just don't. Regardless of what other people do. We have to act with integrity.

Things like 'what will the popular reception be to the movie', that might be reasonable to ask.

One thing I would caution against: some people (even if they claim, like me, not to be superstitious) really don't like to tempt fate. If you read for someone and they see you've posted a negative, that could really trouble them. Heck, even a positive that is contrary to their aims could be troubling. My mother was superstitious and to this day I can't put new shoes on a table, I don't know why, it just creeps me out. Some people prefer to avoid tempting fate by staying away from fortune-telling. A friend never reads while her husband is away traveling, for fear she sees something bad happening to him.

Sorry, no matter which way I look at it, I just can't see it as right to read for someone who hasn't asked you to.

 

[HOLMES]

ah yes

Sorry, no matter which way I look at it, I just can't see it as right to read for someone who hasn't asked you to.

ah yes, I think in this case like the case of someone using reversals, I will have to respect your view and ethics (having looked at ata , and how other people have devised their tarot ethics , it is cool to see how some ethics are personal. )

 

[blueeyetea]

The problem is not a problem for you, it's a problem for them.

Would you be okay with someone training their telescope on your bedroom window simply to make sure the telescope works? Or installing bugging equipment in your house simply to see if it records their conversations clearly enough? Or someone you don't know doing a Tarot reading about you for their own "entertainment purposes"?

That.

Well, you have to admit that a stranger looking into my house with their telescope is *against the law* and a clear breach of privacy.

Someone who wants to do a tarot reading on me can go ahead. Until I deny or confirm that the reading is accurate, it's all speculative on their part. A Tarot reader can't prove that what he/she says is true without cooperation from the other party, which is the problem. On the other hand, a celebrity trying to sue a tarot reader for false information would be laughed out of court for the same reason.

Besides that, people talk about other people behind their backs all the time, for all kinds of reasons, some justified, others not so much. It's often the reason people go get a reading:

* Will he be coming back?
* is she cheating on me?
* is so and so interested in me?
* is my business partner doing drugs?

What's different with these questions that make them acceptable, but it's a breach of privacy asking if Brad and Angelina will be getting back together?