Queen of Swords and Magician in common?

3. helpfull assistance and sharing of resources

Here I agree with you, for working relationships with her wisdome and his abilities they are eccellent team. They just always have to be the same team.

4. the bs detector

Totally forgot that. Ha! Yes, that makes her capable fully protecting herself against his manipulation. They should be able to keep each other in line.

5. mastery over other people

Ok she can sence his BS and probably wont let him get away with it but what about other people. Would she allow him to manipulate others if they are in love relationship? What about work, or when it serves her purpose would she allow it or would the honor in her would stop her crossing thse boundaries?

Truely an interesting tread. This queen needs to learn when to put down the sword and when to use it. If this is not learned she ends up alone. She may win the battles but lose the war. The Magician has much more of an advantage, he has all four elements at his finger tips and can be quite the trickster.

This is a match that must be kept in a delicate balance, two strong egos, both leaders in their own right, both must learn to yield for it to work. It is not an impossible relationship, all relationships require give and take.

annabel398 said:

Delight in mastery doesn't have to mean "mastery over weak people," y'know.

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By 'Weak People' (since I used the phrase first) I meant those without a strong enough personality to tell a control freak where to stick their magical tools ...

These two are very good as "partners in crime" (meaning, when something clever needs to be done, they'll happily put their heads together to do it). And if that's what they each want in their life partner, then it will work. But I agree that they also like to be in control and do things their way. Which means they might do better with...let's call them "Mellow" sorts People who are flexible, easy going. So if the Queen says, "I have to have it exactly this way" her partner will say, "Sure, why not?" rather than, like the Magician, "That way? But there are so many other ways it could be. We could do this, or this, or this..." Which will drive her crazy. Likewise, a mellow partner would be good for the Magician. So if he says, "I think I'd like to fly to Paris today," they'll say, "Sure, why not?" rather than, like the Queen, "I've got an important thing happening today, it was on the calendar, I've planned it for weeks...no, we can't fly to Paris today!"

About that flying-to-Paris: we should remember that the Magician is mercurial (literally and figuratively ). His is the quick wit that gets easily bored and switches to something else. That's why you sense that he's "not very successful" at things. He absolutely could be successful, wildly so, but he like a master chess player. Once he sees where the game is going, and that he's going to win, he says, "That's done..." and moves to the next game. That's why he's the second card in the deck--like the Fool, he's about starting things, but not necessarily about finishing them.

This also, by the way, relates to his tools. Yes, he has a lot of them, and this means he has an advantage because whatever the situation calls for, he has the right tool on hand. But having so many tools also undermines his long-term focus, because if he does get bored with one, he can switch to another. The Queen can't do that, and so has a much more laser like if less advantageous focus.

In summation ...the Queen/Swords has a razor sharp mind that would certainly keep the Magician interested; they could talk for hours and never get tired of each other; they could come up with amazing ideas and projects together or work out problems together; but she's more serious about seeing things through. So while she may not mind the Magician dropping one of his projects to go on to another, she would mind if his switching projects interfered with whatever she was working on.

Thus, if the two want a lasting relationship, they need to allow themselves separate interests, even separate lives that intersect. They aren't the sort of couple that can be joined at the hip, in each other's company 24/7. If they want that kind of relationship, they'd probably do better, as said, with someone who loves to let them lead and be clever and talk, rather than someone who also wants to lead, be clever and talk.

6. Partners in crime!

I realy like that combination. Bonney and Clide! To the end!
But Im wondering if those two survived and ended up in front of a judge. Would they roll? Who would go first? Or would they be loyal to the end?

When each thinks of loyalty, what do they see?

Both good at communicating, expressing ideas, business development, public speaking to groups.

Just because you identify with the Queen/Swords....

jolie_amethyst said:

Because you asked: Yes, in fact, most of us who identify with this court card fully understand the concept of love and have experienced it both in giving and receiving. To think that any given card personality is incapable of something that makes us human is silly.

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I agree that the Queen/Swords can love, BUT, we have to be careful regarding cards that we identify with. Because no human being is the Queen/Swords. You or I can be mostly the Queen/Swords, but in certain situations we're also the Queen/Cups, Queen/Pents, or Queen/Wands—likely even some kings, knights and pages So even if we're 98% Queen/Swords, even if we strongly identify with that card and always put it down as our signifier, to look at it and say, "I love and therefore so does the Queen/Swords"...isn't exactly accurate.

Because we are, after all, discussing an archetype, ideal, and avatar with the Queen/Swords. She is a card with a decided meaning, not a human being. Thus, the card is about what personality trait is foremost when they get together and try to have a relationship. It's about what part of them comes out and is "them" when they are together. I mean, we all see that in our lives. We say, "This guy is such a jerk to me." And others say, "Oh, my gosh, he's always a sweetheart to me. Best friend I ever had..." We're never just one person or the same person with everyone.

You argue that you' have a wonderful love relationship with your Magician. But maybe if you laid down the cards you'd find that in that RELATIONSHIP you are the Queen/Cups and he the King/Cups. Maybe in every other aspect of your life you are the Queen/Swords and he the Magician...except when you're together (or not). Because you're not the Queen/Swords 24/7 or in all situations. Nor is he the Magician 24/7 and in all situations.

So the question of whether there can be love in this relationship is very pertinent. A Magician/Queen-Swords relationship is NOT going to include include romantic, hearts-and-valentines love. It's going to be the sort of connection that revolves around admiration for each other's clever words and minds. And that's fine. It could even be called "Love"—but we must not assume that just because we identify with a card, that the card is us through and through including aspects that are decidedly not part of what the card is all about. I identify with the Queen/Swords, but I promise you, I do give my husband mushy, romantic valentines. Which means there's a part of me that isn't the Queen/Swords when it comes to him.

Does that make sense?

bluelagune said:

I realy like that combination. Bonney and Clide! To the end!
But Im wondering if those two survived and ended up in front of a judge. Would they roll? Who would go first? Or would they be loyal to the end?

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It's not about loyalty. Its about outwitting the judge. And both of them would try to do it, and both of them would try to use what each other said to do it. Putting it another way, they would stick with each other not out of loyalty, but because there's no way, as a team, they're going to let anyone take them down or outsmart them. They, as a team, have to outsmart everyone else. To let one of them take the fall is to say that, as a team, they couldn't outsmart the justice system. And that's not acceptable to either.

So, you end up with results that are the same as being loyal, but not out of loyalty. These two think they are the smartest people in the room and they are determined to prove it...and they may well be right.