Mmm... The way you have written this it sounds almost offensive to everyone who is looking for practical answers and far from the "dignified" search of some eternal truths. In an astrological chart? Predictive astrology is indeed a very tough thing and I deeply respect anyone's efforts to bring this astrology closer to people. And I find it very interesting to deduct from past events and to find patterns which fit the present. If they happen to materialize the same way in the future, that's an Eureka!
P.S. I find it most annoying to ask a simple question and to get in return some endless theoritization about who I am, why I am, who I was in my 93 reincarnation, how my great-great-great-grandfather affected my marriage when he left to war 150 years ago and so on. I am all for moderation. What's been happening in the divination circles over the past ten years is just over the top. A big deal over the top. A so called "reader" who can't answer me a simple yes/no question is simply not capable to answer more complicated ones, to me. I just cross them from the list.
I do understand. And I still disagree. I am myself a Pluto person, have followed this planet for very long and have written here many times about Pluto. Devouring who and how and how does it manifest? To me Pluto is: end; deeply uprooting change; life changing events of all kinds, normally include pain, may be physical too; a tool of enormous power which can be suffered or used, the latter gives power over the masses to those who master it; material goods, especially those which are not visible to everyone and if reached, vast amounts of them; in certain combos participates in birth prediction in return charts.
How do we distinguish the outer planets if we assign to all of them those? Why would they rule different signs and how would this rulership manifest if their behaviour is nearly the same?
I'm a bit confused. If it depends on the individual, then it can't be a "definite" thing coming from the planet. Again, you say you've seen children taken during Neptune transit but since we are on an astrological forum, let's do it as we should, let's take a look at the person's chart at this moment and see if only Neptune was playing? Because I haven't seen such events during a Neptune transit, so I'd be very interested.
Again, *definitely* according to what, to who? Even with ancient astrology there are no definite things, despite the hundreds of years of observation they had over the personal planets which no one has had with the outers yet. What makes you say that Neptune *definitely* brings loss and sacrifice? I say that I haven't seen anything similar just because of Neptune, on his own.
To add, I am in a Neptune/natal Sun/natal Mars transit, Neptune on the Asc in solar arc, Neptune/Sun progressed conjunction after a progressed New Moon on natal Neptune and Pisces progressed Asc. (I know how it all played out and still plays out and it has nothing to do with loss, I can explain it all), if I have to use myself as an example, as I have tons of Neptunian aspects currently and over the past year.
And again, I haven't sacrificed friends or sacrificed myself for friends with Neptune in the 11th, haven't sacrificed ideas, on the contrary; I gave another person as an example for the purity of his unaspected Neptune, I'd love to see some examples from you too. We can post charts and everyone will be able to judge and practice. May be there will be more than one point of view but most importantly, we won't be theoritizing.
That's common truth, I think and doesn't require some kind of superior mind, it's part of all known cults, legends and religions (later). But I fail to see how it proves your points above. You spoke of events, not of psychoanalitical themes. If someone's child is taken and you say it's due to a Neptunian transit, would you contribute to the statement? Outers haven't been vastly explored, it's always useful to see a chart with a prominent event and judge what brought the event to happen.
Well, it's only natural, you also spoke of events above. Life consists of events, after all. And is far simpler than people love to make it look.
To be honest, I am not at all interested in this kind of debates, it just goes into endless mind-rolling and ego games and power trips. I stated my views, if someone finds them upsetting, he or she should check the solidity of his own attitudes. I have no problems with different kind of approaches towards astrology - I might even consult a differnet kind of astrologer if needed, but my approach certainly requiers a lot of depth and inquiry. Yes, psychological approach is much deeper and complex. It is just so
And yes, it is a fact that most people don't feel like going into this.
As for assigning attributes to all of the outer planets - again, I don't want to discuss with people who put things out of context and put words into my mouth. This is why this debate is pointless - it is not about sharing but about 'winning the argument' and I find no interest in such childish games. But just to be clear - outer planets have a common caracteristics of let's say, 'cracking our egos', or twisting our preconceived notions of who we are and thus expanding our awarness, so there is a common theme of their intervention, yes, by all means. They also have a common name, as social and personal planets do.
I lost my mother when T-Uranus was exactly conjuncting my Moon. I have seen a child die when T-Neptune was exactly opposing Moon, etc. Then again, Neptune can transit Moon and nothing happens in the outer world. That's why
inquiry is needed. You cannot know exact manifestations of the planets and to presume so, it is just trying to squeeze a very complex world of human psyche into matematical formulas. It doesn't work so. Yes, people would like it to work so, because life seems simpler this way, but it just doesn't work like that. On some level yes, but the deeper you go, it is more subtle and complex.
The planets help
explain the experience - but the level of comprehension depends on the indivdual and on his depth and capacity. Some people can never fully integrate such experiences. They may not even notice that something has happened. That is why the outer planets for instance are so out of reach - the humanity in general is not ready yet to integrate them fully, not even understand them. But we are getting there
The human awarness is expanding, we are also living longer and longer, so the long cycles of the outer planets will become more personalized.
And as the awarness expands, more planets will be discovered probably.
Am I saying that the understanding of the planets and astrology depends on the level of intelligence, awarness and depth of the individual? Of course I am!
Totally! As do all things in life. If some people's egos get offended - it is their issue and perhaps something to 'psychoanalize'
As I said, I have no interest in these kind of debates, I just wanted to share something here, my own understanding, but I see that such views are not very well accepted here, so I am definitely exluding my self from any ego debates and games. It is just a waiste of energy and my energy is precious, I use it for fruitful things
best regards
wind
