patrick123
Hello all,
Its been a while that I posted on this forum. Didn't know my username and password anymore, so, i created a new account. Tarot symbolism had always my interest, but the past few years, things were low profile on the tarot. Lately I was some cleaning up and found some old papers with some ideas from me concerning the symbolism/structure in the Marseille Tarot (Conver). So I thought: I post them on the forum, just to see what other peoples thoughts on it would be.
These are just ideas, thoughts, not theories with evidence. Its not about the origins of tarot, but (maybe) origins of the conver tarot. I have to admit that I used the cards from Camoin in my theory and I have not checked if the theory “works” for the Conver or other Marseille tarot.
So…again, just thoughts, no proof, and maybe its all a coincidence but I am curious what others think of it. If there is any truth in it, or it makes any sense of it by a few people here on the forum, maybe its a thing that others can futher explore.
So alright..here are my thoughts:
A while back I asked myself the question: is there a correlation between the trumps and the golden ratio/golden number (phi)/golden spiral. I made myself a spiral on transparent paper and lay it on a diagram of the trumps (3x7, Camoin).
Well, there were some interesting things I saw.
First of all, when you draw some lines at 0.618th (phi) part of the diagram http://detarot.blogspot.nl/p/afbeeldingen.html you see that these lines coincide with certain things on the cards, like the eyes on the Devil (knees/belly), hands cut off etc. There are a lot of things that coincide with these lines, wich makes you think that there is a structure based on the golden ratio in the trumps. (I did this also with the seperate cards and came to the same conclusion but my papers on this topic are (still) gone..)..http://translate.google.nl/translat...l=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.detarot.blogspot.com/
Then, I draw a golden spiral on the diagram. Well, that was very interesting too..
The line crossed some words/letters of the names of the cards..and this is what you get:
E (Le Diable)
REUR (L Empereur)
PAPE (Le Pape)
The “rightarm” of N in TemperaNce (wich can be a Tau wich means “end” in Hebrew.
XX (Jugement)
X (Pendu)
And finaly, the lozenge/rhombus in card XX. http://translate.google.nl/translat...l=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.detarot.blogspot.com/
If you put these letters next to each other, you get this:
ereur, pape, T,(the right arm of N in TemperaNce) XX, X, rhombus/lozenga.
“ereur”: free translation “wrong/misstake” in Frech.
So:
wrong Pope
the end/death
666 (since x is the 24th (2+4=6) letter in the alphabet)).
Rhombus/Lozenge (which is a old female symbol and means “spinning around/turning around)).
: the wrong pope is evil (666) dead or end it..
Look at the female principle (rhombus).
Or, wrong pope (patriarchal) , evil, dead/ends, and reverse things (matriarchal).
So what are your thoughts? Does it make any sense? Is it farfetched? Again, some thoughts, nothing more, nothing less..
Greetings
Patrick
Its been a while that I posted on this forum. Didn't know my username and password anymore, so, i created a new account. Tarot symbolism had always my interest, but the past few years, things were low profile on the tarot. Lately I was some cleaning up and found some old papers with some ideas from me concerning the symbolism/structure in the Marseille Tarot (Conver). So I thought: I post them on the forum, just to see what other peoples thoughts on it would be.
These are just ideas, thoughts, not theories with evidence. Its not about the origins of tarot, but (maybe) origins of the conver tarot. I have to admit that I used the cards from Camoin in my theory and I have not checked if the theory “works” for the Conver or other Marseille tarot.
So…again, just thoughts, no proof, and maybe its all a coincidence but I am curious what others think of it. If there is any truth in it, or it makes any sense of it by a few people here on the forum, maybe its a thing that others can futher explore.
So alright..here are my thoughts:
A while back I asked myself the question: is there a correlation between the trumps and the golden ratio/golden number (phi)/golden spiral. I made myself a spiral on transparent paper and lay it on a diagram of the trumps (3x7, Camoin).
Well, there were some interesting things I saw.
First of all, when you draw some lines at 0.618th (phi) part of the diagram http://detarot.blogspot.nl/p/afbeeldingen.html you see that these lines coincide with certain things on the cards, like the eyes on the Devil (knees/belly), hands cut off etc. There are a lot of things that coincide with these lines, wich makes you think that there is a structure based on the golden ratio in the trumps. (I did this also with the seperate cards and came to the same conclusion but my papers on this topic are (still) gone..)..http://translate.google.nl/translat...l=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.detarot.blogspot.com/
Then, I draw a golden spiral on the diagram. Well, that was very interesting too..
The line crossed some words/letters of the names of the cards..and this is what you get:
E (Le Diable)
REUR (L Empereur)
PAPE (Le Pape)
The “rightarm” of N in TemperaNce (wich can be a Tau wich means “end” in Hebrew.
XX (Jugement)
X (Pendu)
And finaly, the lozenge/rhombus in card XX. http://translate.google.nl/translat...l=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.detarot.blogspot.com/
If you put these letters next to each other, you get this:
ereur, pape, T,(the right arm of N in TemperaNce) XX, X, rhombus/lozenga.
“ereur”: free translation “wrong/misstake” in Frech.
So:
wrong Pope
the end/death
666 (since x is the 24th (2+4=6) letter in the alphabet)).
Rhombus/Lozenge (which is a old female symbol and means “spinning around/turning around)).
: the wrong pope is evil (666) dead or end it..
Look at the female principle (rhombus).
Or, wrong pope (patriarchal) , evil, dead/ends, and reverse things (matriarchal).
So what are your thoughts? Does it make any sense? Is it farfetched? Again, some thoughts, nothing more, nothing less..
Greetings
Patrick