kwaw
Saturday dad ---
I wait outside the bookies
with a can of pop,
at church we light a candle
for his horse
I wait outside the bookies
with a can of pop,
at church we light a candle
for his horse
According to one definition high magic is ceremonial type magic that deals with angels and demons, and low magic is of a more casual, folklore or witch type nature: I think this is the most popular distinction (according to which the Goetia, albeit it deals with demons, would fall under the category of 'high magic')... not an easy definition to apply in practice as folk and shamanic type magic is often itself highly scripted and ritualized, and the distinction that is often made more often appears to be between elitist, self-righteous stance of judeo-christian practicioners of 'practical kabbalah' or 'hermetic' type magic staking claim to the moral high ground over the rest...
Another definition defines high magic as 'theurgic', with knowledge and union with God(s) as it aim, or which at least places supernatural power in that of the other, the divine; as compared to 'goetic', low magic in which the practitioner seeks development of personal supernatural powers in pursuit of selfish materialist ends and the control of others.
The line between the two is often a fine and confusing one...
Kwaw!!!!
I hoped you'll pop in!
Hhaha, my folks do say that kosher Kabbalah is magic - but no divisions high/law or whatsoever...
so that excludes him dealing exclusively with demons
Great verse, Kwaw
but might, at least according to some kabbalists if I recall correctly (by Cordovero for example?) include demons among the maggidim (spirit messengers) that a kabbalist may communicate with?
Bingo!
Lumpy's original question is a mixture of both and therefore difficult to answer.
As noted here for example?
http://jhom.com/topics/voice/magid.htm
"It has been taught: Abba Benjamin says, If the eye had the power to see them, no creature could endure the demons. Abaye says: They are more numerous than we are and they surround us like the ridge around a field. R. Huna says: Every one among us has a thousand on his left hand and ten thousand on his right hand. Raba says: The crushing of the crowd in the Kallah lectures comes from them. Fatigue in the knees comes from them. The wearing out of the clothes of the scholars is due to their rubbing against them. The bruising of the feet comes from them." Berakhot 6a
Cursing with Roosters - use of low magic leaves you cleaning up crap:
http://talmudcomics.net/berachot 7a.jpg