Do you find the Lenormand to be counter-intuitive?

[La Force]

Knowing that the symbols come from tea and coffee ground, would you tell a tea leaf reader their doing it wrong? Ohhh maybe the rune reading people are doing it wrong?

but darn it, some people read tea leaves, or pieces of junk, or lines in the sand at a beach. A lenormand is a set of images on cardstock. We can read them any way we please!

That was EXACTLY my point when I posted here several days ago (although no one seems to have noticed what I said).

Teheuti I read your post, I also made the same point, in a post ahead of yours, so were are in agreement. Therefore I didn't feel it necessary to comment.

 

[Teheuti]

I think it is perfectly clear what I am talking about. There is a pervasive insistence among a rather influential segment of Lenormand readers that one is not supposed to let the images or titles be the catalyst for one's intuition, because that may result in an interpretation which is contrary to the traditional meaning. However, it is perfectly acceptable to let the traditional meaning be the stimulus for the intuition.

True. And there is a pervasive insistence among others that the cards can be whatever they want them to be, based on any impressions, intuitions or psychic insights that occur in the moment. I think that is perfectly fine.

If, for example, you are using a deck with cute, playful Mice, in the Lenormand language the Mice card does NOT mean playful. If you have a study group in which some people intuit the Mice card as indicating fun, play and enjoyment, then there will be dissonance with the group that holds to the traditional language that says that the card is about stress, vermin and stealing. The interpretations of the reading with that particular deck will be totally opposed and probably everything in between.

Personally, I'm not all that interested in listening to as many variations of meaning as there are people. I don't care about comparing the psychic or intuitive abilities of individuals as I prefer seeing if the precision of language and ideas offers me something different than I get from reading in a free form way. But, that's just my preference. Once you know what you want - find a group that studies that way. I believe most of the traditionalists left a card-by-card study group here when they realized a traditional approach was not wanted (I left as soon as I realized it was not what I wanted). I assume the group fared well from that point on.

Lenormand is a fairly new fad in the United States. The approach seems to be more traditionally-oriented in other countries where it's been taught and written about for much longer. English-speakers and probably more Americans seem to prefer to pioneer their own approaches to the cards. Great.

I think the bigger point is that we got caught up in polarizing differences without being able to recognize and acknowledge that each side has a right to exist but that the approaches do not work well together - they tend to be mutually-exclusive. I'm advocating learning to talk about this without blame or name-calling, and to find a way to articulate the differences in a realistic fashion that doesn't put the other down.

 

[La Force]

I think it is perfectly clear what I am talking about. There is a pervasive insistence among a rather influential segment of Lenormand readers that one is not supposed to let the images or titles be the catalyst for one's intuition, because that may result in an interpretation which is contrary to the traditional meaning. However, it is perfectly acceptable to let the traditional meaning be the stimulus for the intuition.

If what I am trying to say is still unclear, here is another restatement.

WRONG: To base your intuition on the card images and titles as well as the traditional meanings.

RIGHT: To base your intuition on the traditional Lenormand meanings, but not on the images or titles.

I'm [size=+2]not[/size] saying that one is intuitive while the other isn't.

What I have been trying to express is an observation, not an opinion of the correct way to read Lenormand. I have no wish for this to turn into an argument, which would be a colossal waste of time. I think it may be time for me to opt out of the discussion.

I understand completely what you mean LRichard. maybe this will help you change your mind. I can only speak for myself only. but just maybe this may inspire you to enjoy your lenormand decks the way you want.

I had a stroke, (left side of the brain in the thalamus region). So put it lightly my brain is messed up signals and all. It's like the sensory relay system on your car. imagine if that went your car, then it is messed up something bad.

I have no short term memory, very little long term memory. so the Traditional way is not the way for me at all, period I had to find a creative way to compensate, I can't even remember what happened 5 min ago. almost as bad as the movie 50 dates. lol

I read the lenormand via visual, the image, and how I know what and think that symbol means to me, sorry I do read it kind of like tarot. but use only the 1 symbol. or I sit with my book I created with tones of keywords for each card or with a book (LWB) to help me understand what each card means.

Memorization does not work. therefore I can't remember titles or meanings period.

I rely on my gut and what I see. that's it.

Hope this helps you. I respect everyone for their own way of how they choose to read the cards. I support people who want to read lenormand to just find a method, style, way that works for them.

Please take out your card, sit with them, try every possible way you can or want with them, just it for yourself. see where it will lead you. It doesn't matter which way, dust them off, have fun, enjoy the cards for what they are.

La Force

 

[Teheuti]

I'm [size=+2]not[/size] saying that one is intuitive while the other isn't.

What I have been trying to express is an observation, not an opinion of the correct way to read Lenormand. I have no wish for this to turn into an argument, which would be a colossal waste of time. I think it may be time for me to opt out of the discussion.

I apologize. I conflated other people's comments on intuition with your statements, which I shouldn't have done. I agree with you. The locus of intuition is different. In one, intuition derives from particular visual images as perceived in the moment and in the other, intuition arises more out of a vocabulary and juxtaposition according to 'grammatical rules' (more-or-less).

I don't think there is a correct way to read Lenormand. I think different approaches offer different strengths and benefits that haven't been fully articulated yet.

 

[Teheuti]

I have no short term memory, very little long term memory. so the Traditional way is not the way for me at all, period I had to find a creative way to compensate, I can't even remember what happened 5 min ago. almost as bad as the movie 50 dates. lol

I'm so sorry to hear about the stroke. I have age-related memory problems that have exasperated an already bad memory. I deliberately set out to learn the Lenormand system (tradition) as an experiment as a brain/memory stimulus and to forge new neural pathways in my brain. It's worked fairly well but I have to keep at it because I forget so much. It's been quite an adventure. Plus, I love the precision I get, which is so different from the results I get given my approach to Tarot.

I support people who want to read lenormand to just find a method, style, way that works for them.

What a great attitude. Whatever works!

 

[La Force]

I'm so sorry to hear about the stroke. I have age-related memory problems that have exasperated an already bad memory. I deliberately set out to learn the Lenormand system (tradition) as an experiment as a brain/memory stimulus and to forge new neural pathways in my brain. It's worked fairly well but I have to keep at it because I forget so much. It's been quite an adventure. Plus, I love the precision I get, which is so different from the results I get given my approach to Tarot.

What a great attitude. Whatever works!

Thank you Teheuti

OMGosh Mary, same here, that's exactly why I finally after yrs of reading up on Lenormand, and followed all your research, and supported you through all that research. Decided to use the lenormand, rebuild my damaged brain functions. I also have communication problems to, verbal, how to say things, talk in proper sentences, I am learning English all over again, it's taking a long time, but I am making progress. Lenormand, I took up as a grammar course lol. I also like the precision, however I have a long way yet to go, to be proficient like I am with Tarot. However I am persistent. It is an adventure. I enjoy it. Now that I am right brained, I am more psychic/intuitive, visual, I even would call my self medium, since my stroke hit, I see dead people / Shadow people all the time. the Neuro specialist say it's normal, that I am not hallucinating. cause seriously I thought I was, I thought I lost my mind. But I didn't I just have to accept it, and find ways to deal with it. I use the cards as my escape goat / outlet to express what I see, and messages I receive, do you understand?

Sorry about long post. I just wanted to open the door wide, so that others, can take what I have posted, and NOT SET LIMITATIONS / BOUNDARIES / BARRIERS up for themselves, or others. If I can find a way, so can you. Enjoy your lenormand deck.

La Force

 

[Teheuti]

I just wanted to open the door wide, so that others, can take what I have posted, and NOT SET LIMITATIONS / BOUNDARIES / BARRIERS up for themselves, or others. If I can find a way, so can you. Enjoy your lenormand deck.
La Force

I believe I understand - as best as one can who hasn't been through such a devastating experience. I admire how well you are coming back and how you are learning to function in places where the veil is thin between worlds. You are truly an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your story and your encouragement to others.

 

[La Force]

I believe I understand - as best as one can who hasn't been through such a devastating experience. I admire how well you are coming back and how you are learning to function in places where the veil is thin between worlds. You are truly an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your story and your encouragement to others.

Thank you, it hasn't been easy. Learning to function with one foot in the veil, and one foot out in this reality. Lets say you see the truth. It's harder to live in this world then the otherside.

 

[Richard]

I apologize. I conflated other people's comments on intuition with your statements, which I shouldn't have done. I agree with you. The locus of intuition is different. In one, intuition derives from particular visual images as perceived in the moment and in the other, intuition arises more out of a vocabulary and juxtaposition according to 'grammatical rules' (more-or-less).

I don't think there is a correct way to read Lenormand. I think different approaches offer different strengths and benefits that haven't been fully articulated yet.

I agree entirely, and I apologize for 'shouting.'

 

[Richard]

I understand completely what you mean LRichard. maybe this will help you change your mind. I can only speak for myself only. but just maybe this may inspire you to enjoy your lenormand decks the way you want.

I had a stroke, (left side of the brain in the thalamus region). So put it lightly my brain is messed up signals and all. It's like the sensory relay system on your car. imagine if that went your car, then it is messed up something bad.

I have no short term memory, very little long term memory. so the Traditional way is not the way for me at all, period I had to find a creative way to compensate, I can't even remember what happened 5 min ago. almost as bad as the movie 50 dates. lol

I read the lenormand via visual, the image, and how I know what and think that symbol means to me, sorry I do read it kind of like tarot. but use only the 1 symbol. or I sit with my book I created with tones of keywords for each card or with a book (LWB) to help me understand what each card means.

Memorization does not work. therefore I can't remember titles or meanings period.

I rely on my gut and what I see. that's it.

Hope this helps you. I respect everyone for their own way of how they choose to read the cards. I support people who want to read lenormand to just find a method, style, way that works for them.

Please take out your card, sit with them, try every possible way you can or want with them, just it for yourself. see where it will lead you. It doesn't matter which way, dust them off, have fun, enjoy the cards for what they are.

La Force

Thank you for the suggestion. I'll give it a try.

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post #21.