For those of you who doubt a pre-Christian origin, do you know the pre-Christian doctrine enough to recognize it when you see it?
And what about the feast of the Epiphany? Is that pre-Christian feast? Was it celebrated before Christ? And if it was, where is its origin? Was the Epiphany and the Eucharist associated with God before Christ? Is so, why it is associated with Christ now?
Actually, it is amazing that the answers to the source of the tarot is listed right in this thread. Heliopolis has a lot to do with it. Can anyone tell me the Heliopolis doctrine? (yes this is a Sarah Palin question). Since we are dealing with pre-Christian doctrine experts, don't cheat by looking it up!
You might not have noticed, but that post was made more than a year ago.
Yes, indeed.
Welcome to the Tarotforum, TarotCard ...
... you didn't chose the luckiest introduction for yourself. At ...
http://tarotforum.net/showthread.php?t=80781&page=3
... you left some questions about your intentions.
You seem to work on a Tarot book project, in which you wanna show, that "Tarot" or that what you understand with it or how you define it, is Pre-Christian.
http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/archaeology_of_the_tarot
Just in the case, that this is so, and you desire to bring your ideas to discussion, why don't you open a new thread and show that, what you intend to show?
From your not-very-lucky introduction I assume, that you'll dismiss everything, what we're working here on in long articles (and actually I would assume, that you simply don't know in great detail, what we're working on; but maybe I'm wrong), as 'propaganda for the "invented here" philosophy' and instead you'll attempt to fill our minds with Pre-Christian objects, as for instance that, what you call 'Heliopolis doctrine'.
Okay, why not, the topic of this part of the Forum is "Historical Research (for Tarot)", and you interpret your Pre-Christian object as something "similar to Tarot" (at least I assume so), so you somehow have the right to show it up here ... and everybody else has the right to offer his/her critique.
That's a common condition here ... and this might be occasionally a difficult factor.
The Tarot has been a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma but no longer. This book exposes the origin of the Tarot symbolism which is often grossly underestimated. It is the first of its kind to seriously advance a pre-Renaissance origin to the Tarot using the oldest Tarot de Marseille.
... from the announced book
Well, that's somehow a known scheme, used by various. I know at least 4 personally. Something "before Renaissance" has delivered that, what appeared then in the Tarot des Marseilles. Authors with this strategy avoid the troublesome renaissance with all its detail, taking the safe position "this I needn't to know for my topic, I just know the Tarot des Marseilles".
Is this similar with you and your ongoing book project? I just ask ... maybe you've made long studies about the period of Renaissance Tarot and you would impress us with knowledge about a lot of its details.