Adjustment

Grigori

I am trying to understand this card better because I have a Libra moon.

You will never decide, so stop trying and save the time :laugh: (I dated a Libra moon once,.. well I think I did, I don't know if they ever decided if we were dating or not. I'm not sure they ever decided anything. Sorry for the projection :laugh: )

Mostly Crowley just looses me from about paragragh two onward. I know we've talked about the Eld of the All-Father before, but I can't find it.

Think tetragrammaton. That vixen in Binah rolls over to awaken the eld of the All-Father, so they can start making some babies. I'm sure the All-Father would prefer you didn't go all over the internet telling people you had trouble finding his Eld :laugh:

What does it mean, to be a partner of the Fool?

I've always thought the important part there was Fool=Aleph=A, Adjustment=Lamed=L, so Fool plus Adjustment is AL, the name of God, and also Liber Al. Which is 31, Achad's big revelation to understand it all etc..

What is Vesica Piscis?

Vesica Piscis is where you put the Eld, in the 9th degree at least ;) Like the shape of the OTO lamen, you can see one on the Universe card for example.
 

Always Wondering

You will never decide, so stop trying and save the time :laugh: (I dated a Libra moon once,.. well I think I did, I don't know if they ever decided if we were dating or not. I'm not sure they ever decided anything. Sorry for the projection :laugh: )



Think tetragrammaton. That vixen in Binah rolls over to awaken the eld of the All-Father, so they can start making some babies. I'm sure the All-Father would prefer you didn't go all over the internet telling people you had trouble finding his Eld :laugh:



I've always thought the important part there was Fool=Aleph=A, Adjustment=Lamed=L, so Fool plus Adjustment is AL, the name of God, and also Liber Al. Which is 31, Achad's big revelation to understand it all etc..



Vesica Piscis is where you put the Eld, in the 9th degree at least ;) Like the shape of the OTO lamen, you can see one on the Universe card for example.

LMAF. I soooo needed this, this morning. :laugh:
Perhaps I am taking myself too seriously.
I dreamt a lot about dogs last night and woke up suspecting I was laying with the dogs of reason. :laugh:

You've confirmed this for me.
Thanks.

AW
 

Aeon418

Especially the part where mean old heavy Saturn is exhalted. From what I understand of Crowley and Saturn, Adjustment cannot not take place without time, but it doesn't matter anyway? I can get lost in that forever. :laugh:
If an Adjustment is neccesary it means the scales are unbalanced. The re-balancing happens in time. Any imbalance in the scales represents a deviation from Truth. But the moment of Truth is essentially a timesless state in which No-Thing happens.
It might help you to think of the pre-Big Bang universe. Before the Big Bang there was no universe and no time either. No-Thing. But then there was an explosion and the Alpha side of the scales became full of energy. But this energy began to cool and solidify into matter, which steadily fills up the Omega side of the scales. This re-Adjustment takes place in Time, as such is represents a state of imperfection. Once perfect balance has been achieved nothing can happen and Time once more does not exist.

Speculative waffle..... When the energy of the Alpha pan is spent and transformed into heavy, dense matter in the Omega pan, that matter collapses back in on itself due to gravity. At some point it becomes so heavy and dense that it folds all of space time around itself and the universe returns to the original state of No-Thing - Truth. Until......... Boooom!!! And the whole merry-go-ride starts again, and the infinte becomes finite once more to experience itself through the illusion of imperfection and time. It makes sense why this card is number 8. That serpent does like to Change things. To us time appears very linear, with a past, a present and a future. A beginning, a middle, and an end. But in reality it's a never ending cycle-.
I know we've talked about the Eld of the All-Father before, but I can't find it.
I believe you have a copy of Lon's Thoth book? Read the section about the folding and unfolding of IHVH on p.72-75. The moment where the Queen "awakens the Eld of the All Father" is where they have a...... ahem...... Big Bang. :laugh:
What does it mean, to be a partner of the Fool?
Aleph is the Ox. Lamed is the Ox-goad, a stick to prod the Ox and keep it going in the right direction. If Aleph is the initial fiery energy on the 11th Path, than Lamed makes sure it's flows all the way down the Tree of Life until it arrives in the 32nd path - Atu XIX The Universe - Tau - Saturn(Time). ;)
Atu VIII Adjustment is attributed to the 22nd path of Lamed. By pure coincidence there are 22 connecting paths on the Tree of Life. Lamed goads the Aleph/Ox through all the different paths, thereby she always seeks Adjustment.
What is Vesica Piscis?
Look at the shape created by the four Kerubs on the Universe card. It is meant to suggest feminine genitalia. All Adjustment takes place within the Yoni/Universe as she seeks Satisfaction.
The one thing that I can say is I always wondered why everyone was so excited about Do what thy wilt, as compared to Love is the Law.
Read AL I:6. Looks like someone has got some lovin' to do by doing their Will. This Goddess ever seeketh 70 to her 4 and needs some Satisfaction. :thumbsup:

Currently playing on Nuit's iPod. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a7cHPy04s8
:laugh:
Aleister Crowley said:
Two-thirds of modern misery springs from Woman's sexual dissatisfaction.
 

Always Wondering

I'm thinking. This is a lot to think about. I like your speculative waffle. Am reflecting on Liber Librae.

Aeon418 said:
Read AL I:6. Looks like someone has got some lovin' to do by doing their Will. This Goddess ever seeketh 70 to her 4 and needs some Satisfaction.

You make it sound so sexy. Crowley and Duquette do too. I think this is my biggest gap. I just don't get it. ? :laugh:

Aeon418 said:

Ohh, maybe that is your point. ?
I was hearing the guitar riff before I even cliked the link. :laugh:
 

Aeon418

Ohh, maybe that is your point.
If you look at the card you will see that the Woman grips the Phallic Sword between her thighs. She finds this very Satisfying. Note that the Sword is the same one depicted on the Ace of Swords card. You can't see it on Atu VIII, but it has the word θέλημα (Thelema) inscribed upon the blade. It is the emblem of the True Will. In a certain sense you are that Sword. When you are doing your Will you're putting a big smile on the face of the Goddess/Universe. :) Or is it a contented smirk?

But when you deviate from your Will you upset the balance of the Universe. The Sword slips from between her thighs, the scales tip and require Adjustment.
AL I:52 ..... if the ritual be not ever unto me : then expect the direful judgments of Ra Hoor Khuit!
Cause and effect - Karma. If you stray from your course the Universe compensates and nudges you back between her thighs. But if you insist on being an inattentive lover, Karma can be a real bitch. :mad:
 

Aeon418

It's interesting to compare Atu VIII Adjustment with Atu XI Lust. These two cards are one of the pairs involved in the old switch-er-roo antics mentioned elsewhere. This is not surprising when you see how closely related they are. Consider these common interpretations of each card.

VIII Adjustment: Strength and Force, but arrested as in the act of judgement.

XI Lust: Power not arrested as in the act of judgement, but passing on to further action.

Both cards are expressions on the same Force, but Atu VIII stops, judges, and assess the balance. While Atu XI passes on to further action. The identity of these two cards is further stressed in their design. The Woman of Adjustment holds the Phallic sword between her thighs. While on the Lust card, in Crowley's own words, "BABALON grips between her thighs the Great Wild Beast she straddles!"

Love is the law, love under will.
 

frac_ture

It's interesting to compare Atu VIII Adjustment with Atu XI Lust. These two cards are one of the pairs involved in the old switch-er-roo antics mentioned elsewhere. This is not surprising when you see how closely related they are. Consider these common interpretations of each card.

VIII Adjustment: Strength and Force, but arrested as in the act of judgement.

XI Lust: Power not arrested as in the act of judgement, but passing on to further action.

Both cards are expressions on the same Force, but Atu VIII stops, judges, and assess the balance. While Atu XI passes on to further action.

This is interesting stuff! I of course can't find it now, but there's a post somewhere in the wilds of these boards that speaks on this topic -- it's in more of the RWS context (so, Justice/Strength) than the Thoth (Adjustment/Lust), but I think it still applies, at least somewhat...

Basically, the poster was saying that as in your quote, Aeon418, the two cards are quite related, and the post either offered outright, or at least enabled me to project from my own background (I can't quite recall now which it was...), an analogy likening the relationship between the cards to that between a company's Balance Sheet and its Statement of Operations (=Income Statement).

The two financial statements are pretty inextricably linked, and changes in one will very often flow into the other in some fashion. The biggest difference, in general terms, is that the Balance Sheet is like a snapshot of a single moment in time of the company's financial self (say, at Dec. 31, 2011), whereas the Statement of Operations captures ongoing activity across an entire period (eg., Oct. 1, 2011 - Dec. 31, 2011). I took the post to be offering up the notion that Justice (and in Thoth, I feel it would be okay to apply this to Adjustment...?) can be seen as analogous to a Balance Sheet, and Strength (/Lust) is like a Statement of Operations. Sort of.

I don't know, there are people who post here who are far more versed in Thoth than I am, so I'd be curious to hear if any of you think this analogy holds up at all...?
 

Always Wondering

If you look at the card you will see that the Woman grips the Phallic Sword between her thighs. She finds this very Satisfying. Note that the Sword is the same one depicted on the Ace of Swords card. You can't see it on Atu VIII, but it has the word θέλημα (Thelema) inscribed upon the blade. It is the emblem of the True Will. In a certain sense you are that Sword. When you are doing your Will you're putting a big smile on the face of the Goddess/Universe. :) Or is it a contented smirk?

Oh, I'm the sword. I never thought of it that way.

But when you deviate from your Will you upset the balance of the Universe. The Sword slips from between her thighs, the scales tip and require Adjustment.

Cause and effect - Karma. If you stray from your course the Universe compensates and nudges you back between her thighs. But if you insist on being an inattentive lover, Karma can be a real bitch. :mad:
You just explained my last day or two. :laugh: Saturn has been playing with me. I mean, one thing after another. So much so that it is comical. :rolleyes: Sort of. :laugh:
 

Aeon418

so I'd be curious to hear if any of you think this analogy holds up at all...?
Yeah, it looks like a good analogy to me. If the Lust card represents a process in action, then the reins she holds are the means by which the Scarlet Woman makes continuous Adjustment to keep the Beast under control. If you could press the pause button on the Lust card and freeze it at a particular moment, then the Adjustment card would indicate what needs to be done with the reins at that precise moment time.

The Scarlet Woman gazes up at the Lion Serpent, emblem of the Will. This is her guiding principle by which she steers the Beast. If her attention wanders she may be in for some rough Justice.
 

Aeon418

Oh, I'm the sword. I never thought of it that way.
It's one way of looking at it. The Sword can also be be seen as the Martial sword of Geburah that is directed against any imbalance or deviation from the way of the True Will.
You just explained my last day or two. :laugh: Saturn has been playing with me. I mean, one thing after another. So much so that it is comical. :rolleyes: Sort of. :laugh:
It might help you to reflect on Crowley's reason for changing Justice to Adjustment. According to Crowley Justice is a human concept. Because of our limited perception we frequently think in terms of fairness or unfairness depending on how events unfold for us. But the Universe does not work this way and pays no heed to our silly little ideas of fairness. She simply corrects imbalance in whatever way is necessary. Often when we are subject to Adjustment we react like little children and scream, "it's not fair." But it should be remembered that the letter Lamed means, to teach. Adjustment is often direct instruction and teaching from the Universe itself. Saturn is exalted in Libra and gives the most valuable lessons. But there is always the tendency to see these lessons as a form of punishment, but it's not.