In the closet?

canid

Calliope said:
Whoa. That's...sheesh. But I have to admit, I did LOL at the "I refused to walk into it" part. Did she actually ask you to walk into it, if you don't mind my asking?

She sure did. After about 12 hours of her being catatonic, staring at the tv, she 'woke' up & told me that god & the angels were telling her she had to burn me to save my soul. She was very logical & lucid, held my hand gently, looking into my eyes, fully expecting me to comply. Well, uh, DADDY! I think mom needs to go to the hospital. NOW.
 

Morwenna

Oh, canid. How freaky. :(

Most everyone I'm around this past few decades either know or wouldn't be surprised if they don't know already; very many friends and acquaintances are into divination of one sort or another, or Paganism, or esoteric Christianity, and so on; very many are in the science fiction community as well. The only people I haven't broached the subject with are my old friends from home and my remaining relatives (my parents' generation has all died off), mainly because the subject has never come up. One of my friends from home knew at one time about my interest in astrology, but that hasn't come up in years either.

I don't noise it about at the office, because there are several Christians of a more fundamentalist stripe there (I do get antsy about people identifying "Christians" as being only the sort who think everything is evil that's not in the Bible); but lately there's a temp in the office who's very much "out" as a Tarotista and a Witch, and I get included in some rather public conversations; so I guess I'm "out" there too, only in a much more subdued fashion.
 

Gazel

This is how I feel about it:

Some time ago I stated that I wanted to be a professional reader. Or at least make money on reading.
And I fortunately got a lot of advice, that made me really think twice about it and get in to the core of what I really want tarot-wise - and why and how. So, I pulled my self together and came clean as to what tarot is to me, and why I wanna read the cards, and I posted an essay on my website about what tarot is to me on my (danish) website ... and yada yada.

Not much has happened since then.

But:

It helped me, a lot, and I made the following conclusions, by help from one or two of you: That I will do 100 readings face to face, before I take money, which is quite a sound principle, and that I do not offer e-mail readings - just not my kind of style.

Now, I've changed my mind - again. Hurrah.

I do not want to be a professional reader, I just want to be a Reader, I just want to read. To other people that is.

If I am to earn any money (or anything) it must be by donation, as Grizabella has suggested.

But still nothing happens.

Why: Because I don't want anyone to know. It suddenly accured to me recently. It really spooked me, that I feel this way about it.

All though it is on my website, and I actually have a tarot web site too, and many of my friends know that I have this "hobby" - I do treat this as a secret, for example in relation to my job. I'm simply not open about this, and I am actually afraid about what people will think.

Silly. Now I'm afraid about you will think. "Is she crazy".

Well. I don't what to be afraid. I want to be a good librarian/information architect *and* a tarot reader. But in my head it just doesn't fit. In Denmark people are liberal, but also very rational and skeptic and scientific, if you know what I mean. I'm afraid that my qualifications as a librarian will be compromised by this, or will seem to be, if you know what I mean.

At the end of the day. It is not exactly or just about tarot. It is about showing my true colours. But it is also about getting out of the tarot closet. It is not about doing it (reading that is) in public, more about be truthfully open and not afraid about telling about this passion of mine.

Because, I'm not likely to get any querents if I'm not totally open about this.

Silly me.
 

Gazel

nisaba said:
This begs the question ... what's the difference between "being in the closet" and "not making a point of shouting from the rooftops"?

This is a good question, I think. And I will consider this difference.

Thank you.
 

nisaba

214red said:
the answer was yes for me as tarot started a ball rolling and now i am doing trance mediumship, this means spirituality is very obviously in my life, and i got tired about lying about the courses i was doing so that people wouldnt know.

Um ... Why would you lie about courses? That wasn't what I asked. Do you have to tell every single person every single thing in your life? Why you chose the clothes you put on this morning? What you're planning to eat for lunch? Whether you like TV or not? That you read magazines, or read poetry, or read Tarot? do you force your life down other people's throat? you're talking as if there are only two options: lying or telling everybody everything, whether they've asked or not.

214red said:
i am not ashamed of what i do, why hide it. I am open about most things to my friends, its not a dark dirty secret i have to hide. If i was in the closet i would have to seperate my friends at gatherings etc

Why would i do that?

I wasn't talking about hiding anything. I was asking why we think we have to totally disclose our beliefs and activities, when we might not even know of quite long-term friends what religion they are, and if they are strong in it or not? Have you checked that everyone you've ever known that you've seen driving, actually holds a current driver's licence? I mean, is it okay for others not to disclose things because it simply doesn't come up, but if Tarot simply doesn't come up it's somehow different and you're suddenly "concealing" it, and being "in the closet?"

Sorry, I don't buy that.
 

nisaba

Calliope said:
When you put it like that, no. However, stamp collecting doesn't have a stigma of occultism or devil worship attached to it. No matter how silly the accusation, it's still a common misconception.
So ... if it's a "silly accusation", you still felt for a while that it has to change your behaviour even though it's silly?

Calliope said:
A few people who I have spoken to about it weren't all that shocked because, as one person described it when he asked me about astrology, "You're into all that witchy stuff, you should know."
I know only a couple of readers who are witches, I know a hell of a lot more Tarot readers who are Christians. I've never turned around and accused it of being "Christianny stuff". I really think that's legally discriminatory. It's never been said to me, and if it were, I'd have words to say about the right of the individual to freedom of worship and how Tarot has absolutely nothing to do with any faith because it can be and is used by people of all faiths. I know Buddhist readers, Daoist readers, two excellent Atheist readers, one of them a physicist. A comment like that is just exposing the speaker's ignorance, and I'm usually not averse to relieving them of their ignorance and misconceptions.

Calliope said:
nisaba, you have given me a lot to think about, thank you. I can see now that I am not "in the closet" per se, but maybe just "this is me and you don't really need to know about it because well, it's MINE." Thank you! :D
<warm smile>
 

nisaba

Lilija said:
If the subject is breached, and you are able to answer with confidence and honesty, then you're out.
Also, if the subject is I*never* broached but you feel able to answer with confidence and honesty, you're also out, even if that person or group it's never broached in never find out because it simply doesn't come up.

Example of feeling comfortable in unlikely circumstances:-

I've been doing a qualification in training and assessment recently, and on the first day there was a big "introduce yourself to the group" session. People got up and said things like "I work for Xxxx (major international corporation), and they are putting me through this to improve my skills as a staff trainer" or "I'm a Gestalt therapist and I want to be able to teach Gestalt Therapy in a specialist college but they need me to have this educational qualification", or "I am a draughtsman, and there are few properly skilled draughtsmen in Australia and fewer people to train them. I'm making a bomb in my business because there's so much work and so few people do do it, but the work would be coped-with better if I could teach twenty people to do it this year, and twenty to do it next year."

Everyone had their own story. Likewise, everyone was in business dress, and looked all very mainstream and right-wing (so did I that day, but I started wearing bright colours and tie-dyes after a while). About halfway through the group, I got up and did my thing.

"My name's Nisaba, and unlike the rest of you I'm not planning at this stage to be teaching an accredited course through a RTO. I've been reading Tarot since 1981. There are a lot of good people out there, but there are a lot of really distressing people as well. I've taught courses privately a few times. My hope is not only to improve my teaching-skills, but in the longer term to mainstream the field slightly, so that we're seen as less flaky and irresponsible, so that we will be seen by the rest of the community to be trained, responsible, ethical and skilled."

You know, not a single person of any background had a problem with it. About eight or ten weeks into the course, one person asked me for a reading, privately, and we did it outside of course time and course space. Another person stuck their hand in front of my face once and said "read my palm", so I looked stunned and explained that a collection of 78 bits of cardboard are slightly different to the skin on his hand, and that I'm a Tarot reader. Other than that, just like everyone else in the group, I was accepted completely as a person with a valid reason to do the course, and Tarot was accepted as my valid reason, nothing unorthodox, nothing funny, nothing that differentiated me from the other students at all.

See, if you're comfortable enough with it and take it as a matter-of-fact thing, even a hard-core group of businesspeople like that will take it in their stride.
 

Debra

nisaba said:
See, if you're comfortable enough with it and take it as a matter-of-fact thing, even a hard-core group of businesspeople like that will take it in their stride.

In Australia.
 

thorhammer

Debra said:
In Australia.
Err . . . nope. Not really. They just get dismissive ;)

\m/ Kat
 

Debra

Ok. My point being, Nisaba's generalization based on her experience is not so likely to apply in the US. It depends on if you're living in a progressive community. Or not.