Cold Case: Sister Catherine Cesnik.

[DownUnderNZer]

7) When Sister Russell died - what "secrets" (if any) did she die with?

DND

Blue Owl. Random. 5 cards.


Clover/Dog/STORKS/Ring/Ship


To me I think there was a "pregnancy".

I tend to think she died keeping a "pregnancy" secret that could have been her own or someone very close to her (Storks). This pregnancy happened quite by chance (Clover), so was not likely planned. Marriage or keeping the pregnancy was off the books as well by the looks of it (Ring + Ship).

As I did not include Cisnek in this question it could very well be "anyone", but it could have been Cisnek too.

Back then a young female student would have been one thing, but if it was a nun that would have been kind of sacrilegious and totally unacceptable to the Church.

Having said that - she kept this secret to the death. It does not look like murder or being deceitful in these cards, but an "unplanned pregnancy". Mind you, there could have been other "secrets", but this is what came up for me.





DND

 

[DownUnderNZer]

6) How likely is it that Malecki and Cisnek's murders are connected?

DND

Fish/Woman/RIDER/Mountain/Cross

"Fish" to me can mean "independent" because it can be about someone that is a "free spirit" and her/his "own person" plus when it comes to business an "Entrapeneur" or "Free lancer".

So, it makes me wonder if these murders were independent of one another and done by different "women killers". Not female killers, but men that kill women. So as not to be unfair - it could be a female killer only as Cisnek was raped (maybe Malecki) I have to go with male(s). These murders could have both been a "business arrangement" as well, so in that way both could be connected, but it doesn't necessarily mean by the same killer.

There are certain details, facts, info, updates that are being held back that would likely clear this up one way or the other. As these cases are still "open" it makes sense that this is the situation. However, it is not giving away anything to say that they are "connected" or "not".

Lastly, the connection might not be through "religion" or the "church" as some believe, especially with "Mountain + Cross" together - therefore it might not be a "business arrangement" at all, but just two murders done independently of each other.


Food for thought......




DND

 

[CosmicBeing]

Grand Tableau: Catherine Cesnik


I have it attached to another thread...to organize it. I also post the image here.

I think it is very interesting that Letter fell in it's own house.

Also Fox in the house of cross...it makes me think of that saying.. wolf in sheep clothing. It may also just indicating some trickery happening in the name of faith.

I'll add my two cent to the grand tableau slowly through the week. I'm a slow poke.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

Some interesting cards in this GT. . Have posted in your thread a response.


DND

Grand Tableau: Catherine Cesnik


I have it attached to another thread...to organize it. I also post the image here.

I think it is very interesting that Letter fell in it's own house.

Also Fox in the house of cross...it makes me think of that saying.. wolf in sheep clothing. It may also just indicating some trickery happening in the name of faith.

I'll add my two cent to the grand tableau slowly through the week. I'm a slow poke.

 

[DownUnderNZer]

4) Assuming or presuming her killer was "male" - describe him physically/traits/character?

7 cards and random selection face down in a fan.

Focus Card: "Man".

Lily/Letter/Cross/MAN/Clover/Moon/Snake

So, possibly older than Cesnik or one with more life experience, lived at a distance or came from a different place before living in Baltimore, maybe someone that had a knack for writing, religious or the world on his shoulders type, an opportunist or gambler, known or recognized, creative, emotional and someone not really trustworthy or honest only this would not have been hidden. A trouble maker.

As for features: Possibly slender build, agile, metro or feminine looks and hair on the long side. Fair to medium skin tone.


NOTE: Need to look back at photos of Edgar and Bill as both were slender, not sure about agile, but both could fit in with metro or feminine looks. Not sure about long hair either. Edgar gambled. Not sure if Bill did.


NOTE II: However, it does not mean it was either of these two men, as they have never been tied to Cesnik or the crime really and back then plenty of young people likely had long hair as it would have been in the hippie days and before Flower Power of whatever it was called.



DND

 

[DownUnderNZer]

5) Is there a chance that her murder involved more than one person - if so, what can be given in the way of information?

Blue Owl. 5 cards random.

Storks/Stars/BOUQUET/Mice/Letter

GERMAN: Bouquet is younger females/energies.

Could there have been a pregnancy?


POSSIBLE SCENARIO:


1) Changes for the better (Storks) were hoped for (Stars) and ultimately a resolution to the situation (Bouquet) through a stressful/worrying/ letter (Mice/Letter) or letter that had some worrying information.

This could have involved "others" if that "written letter" circulated perhaps or got in to the wrong hands. Maybe it did get in to the wrong hands.

If it was a "pregnancy" - it could be the same situation as in not wanting it known etc. This does not mean it was Cesnik though - it could have been someone else.

And in regards to "younger females" then the murder could have occurred due to "them" only indirectly. Not done by younger girls, but because of them.

So, were others involved? Possibly if some "letter" or something "written" came to light that was a "high stress factor" and/or the contents were considerably "worrying". But there are no "multi cards" in this lay out - so maybe not.



DND

 

[DownUnderNZer]

On to the second viewing and am up to Episode 4.

Recap...

1) Cisnek was out shopping on the night of her disappearance and the apartments she lived in were nicely kept with gardens and a car park.

The cards were on to it.

2) It came up throughout the series that Cisnek had been told by some of her female students of the sexual abuse by Maskell.

This would possibly make her a threat and liability perhaps although I tend to think it would have to have been more than just "verbal confessions". Did she have something more on him?

The cards were on to it.

3) Maskell died years ago so may not be her killer and no DNA from him was connected to the crime, but it doesn't mean he had nothing to do with her murder.

I feel her killer is someone else and may possibly still be alive and in the area or close to Baltimore or if say he comes from a different hometown - then there.

I thought this documentary was about the murder of a nun by a priest only it was never proven. I had no real idea of the ins and outs of what it was really about although when "Catholic" came into the equation I did wonder about things along those lines etc.

The first two questions were answered well by the Lenormand. As for the third - that remains to be seen yet if at all.


DND

What happened to her killer or where is that person now?
HOUSE/SNAKE/BOUQUET/TOWER/RIDER

I would go with - in the same area or location as the murder or where ever the murderer's home town is located. Could be dead or alive, but nothing to suggest dead really. Trouble would have followed this person and s/he was trouble. S/he would never have known true poverty or just the basic comforts. Either this person could be in prison, hospital, a hospice, an institute, or the government or actually isolated from the rest of the world.

Information is yet to come forward on her/him and I would say that it will. So, there is a possibility this case could be solved as that information is not known yet.

DND

 

[Ruby Jewel]

Bouquet has turned up a few times in your readings here, and since Bouquet can mean a narcissist, and a narcissist at the extreme is also a psychopath/sociopath....cold blooded...I am inclined to think her killer might well have been a secret (Book) psychopath.

Could be saying he was "out on a date" as well.

In his own words, more or less, he stated that he had proposed to Cisnek but she turned him down flat.

Is there a possibility, as he was also at a "crossroads" about becoming a full pledged priest, that he may have been "seeing women" or in this case a "woman". And could that "woman" have in fact been "Cisnek".

She left at around 7:00 pm and that was the last time she was seen at her place although she was spotted at the shopping center and someone thought they saw her as a passenger in her car fighting and trying to get out along a stretch of road whilst the car was being driven.


What can be said about these cards is that there is nothing really sinister and he is not shown really to be a deviant or Psychopathic. However, "Clouds" could mean under the influence of drugs or alcohol and some people do not always remember what they do when under the influence.


DND

 

[DownUnderNZer]

I do not think anything can be ruled out, so anything is a possibility even a "narcissistic' type. Maskell fits that perfectly actually.

What I do believe is that Cisnek and Malecki had different killers based on how their bodies were left and also the murder of a 16 year old a few years later which was more or less the same as Malecki in almost every way. Her killer clothed her which means he "cared", but Cisneks killer left her exposed and mostly naked with her legs open - he did not care about her or want to give her any sense of decency or modesty.

A narcissist might very well do something like that - show and display with no consideration whatsoever.


DND

Bouquet has turned up a few times in your readings here, and since Bouquet can mean a narcissist, and a narcissist at the extreme is also a psychopath/sociopath....cold blooded...I am inclined to think her killer might well have been a secret (Book) psychopath.

 

[Ruby Jewel]

I do not think anything can be ruled out, so anything is a possibility even a "narcissistic' type. Maskell fits that perfectly actually.

What I do believe is that Cisnek and Malecki had different killers based on how their bodies were left and also the murder of a 16 year old a few years later which was more or less the same as Malecki in almost every way. Her killer clothed her which means he "cared", but Cisneks killer left her exposed and mostly naked with her legs open - he did not care about her or want to give her any sense of decency or modesty.

A narcissist might very well do something like that - show and display with no consideration whatsoever.


DND

Neither do I believe it was the same killer. I believe the person who killed Cisnek was a psycho/sociopath... the way she was left would have been the ultimate degradation of a nun and all she stood for...which could have been the reason ...... someone who despised the church and she represented the church to them. A psycho/sociopath might well despise the church and nuns in particular if they were raised by nuns. Did you ask the cards the reason she was killed?